Browse Forums Real Estate Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 2Aug 11, 2008 2:09 pm Hi Grace,
Sorry to hear of your dramas. I know how you feel, even though I own two investement properties we are renting at the moment and we have a landlord from hell (she self manages it). You know popping around at 10pm at night and all the rest of it. She has just given us 14 days notice (10 days after weekend) that we are to move out as our lease has just ended- great, relocate and relocate our business in 10 days. Anyway I can offer you some advise as I am a real estate agent (now owrk for a developer). With regards to open homes. 1- They are allowed to hold an open home as long as they give you 24 hours notice 2- I would call the listing agent and advise them that you are the tenant of the property and have not received your form 10. They advertise the property for sale without sending this to you first 3- You are a paying tenant and under the standard terms and conditions of your lease you are allowed 'quiet enjoyment of the property' . One could argue that holding open homes every Saturday is in breach of this 4- You can object to open homes! You have the right to object to any form 9 that is issued, I have delt with many tenants in the past who objected to open homes due to privacy and security reasons etc 5- You are allowed to be home whilst they are conducted (I would be). 6- You can request inside photos not to be taken of the property whist your posessions are inside for security purposes. Eg. You dont want photos with your address all over the internet showing your new Plasma T.V to the world. Speak up. You have rights. Hope this helps Kylie Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 3Aug 11, 2008 4:41 pm Hi princess, and thanks for the reply! It's very much appreciated.
Well, we did eventually get the Form 9 required for last weekend's open home. We never got the Form 10 though and doubt we ever will. They held another open home this just past weekend, both days. *sigh* On Sat, 1 single person came through (who didn't speak English and whose price range was half what the asking price was. Ray White didn't put the price in the newspaper, grr. I hate that), and 2 people on Sunday, one of which was SO rude and had absolutely no interest in buying whatsoever. The other one was looking for something up to $800k. So obviously not interested in our apartment that's 30 years old and asking $479k. *rolling eyes in exasperation* They have basically said they'll be having open homes every single weekend, both days. This is really annoying to us. Last weekend, the agent even asked me if we'd leave while it was on. I said no, we're not comfortable leaving. He then gave up and I think they've accepted the fact we're always going to be here. I know we have every right to be here during them. It's OUR home right now, even if it's not our property. They're also bringing someone through tomorrow. We told them it's ok to bring people through individually any time between 9am-3pm (when we're not home) and 9am-5pm on Thursdays, but what time are they bringing this person through tomorrow? 3.30pm. NOT CONVENIENT. I'm not objecting though (this time), because I WANT them to see that we put those times there for a reason. Tomorrow at 3.30pm and then at 4pm I'm having 2 removalist companies come to quote me on our move. So...the person they're showing through will not get the most positive experience when viewing the property, will they? MWAHAHAHA! *evil laugh* How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 4Aug 11, 2008 5:04 pm Oh, and with regard to them taking photos of inside? They already did that. We didn't know they'd done it until we saw the online ad and they've got pics of our lounge room, dining area, kitchen, and one of the bedrooms.
They took them when they came to do the valuation. Grr. How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 5Aug 11, 2008 5:26 pm That does not surprise me at all. The agent only cares about getting $$ and a sale. I use to work for Ray White as a P.A. for a sales agent Wont comment too much on that but what if I was you I would be sending your property manager and the selling agent a letter stating that open homes on BOTH Saturday and Sunday are unacceptable and effecting your right to have quiet enjoyment of the property and request that they are held only ONE day per week.
When we would list a property for sale that was tenanted the whole purpose of having open homes was to get all the buyers through at the same time (within a 30 min time slot) to minimise disturbance to tenants. If any enquired during the week we would explain that its tenanted and that they can only view on a certain day and time. It’s disgusting the way most GOOD tenants are treated by some agents, and in my case, the landlord themselves. We have been at our current rental for 2 years and paid 6 months rent in advance when we moved in. We have paid $70,000 in rent during that time to be given 10 days to leave at the end of our lease. Such a nice Thank you isn’t it. To top that off our landlord is a nutcase who pokes around our house when we are not home! We intended on moving when this lease was up but was hoping for a little more notice. Typical! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 6Aug 11, 2008 5:28 pm Also if they are being difficult I would send an email enquiry from the propertys page and request the images to be removed as they contain photos of your personal belongings. The thing is, if they go about it the right way you probably wouldnt mind them using those photos, but when they have no consideration for your and your privacy then why should you? Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 7Aug 12, 2008 2:21 pm Thank you Princess, again, for your supportive post.
The photos actually aren’t TOO bad. They don’t show our extensive collection of old records (that are insured for over $70,000) or a lot of our other valuable stuff, but still. Is that *******? I guess technically they’ve broken no rules by taking photos for the “valuation” and then using them to sell the property…hmm. Anyway, they’re not having any open houses this coming weekend because we told them no way. My mum’s visiting from Melbourne so they simply can’t have any. They’ve agreed to that, so…I don’t know. We feel they’re not being hideously unreasonable. We ARE good tenants. We’ve never once paid the rent late in 5 years. We don’t complain. We’ve got a good relationship with our property managers who themselves say we’re model tenants. (they originally sold this property 2 years ago to our current landlord. The previous landlord was lovely. Then they attempted to sell the property earlier this year but apparently didn’t “do enough” in Ray White’s words, so the landlord gave the job to Ray White to try and sell. So far they suck. Our lovely agents had a heap more people through and never had open houses. Grr.) Anyway…the person they’re bringing through today will enjoy having 2 removalist companies there too. Heheh. I want them to be as disrupted as possible if they’re going to be annoying. How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 8Aug 22, 2008 8:13 pm Ooooohhh, ANGRY!!!!!
We were wondering when the agent would give us notice of the open houses for this coming weekend (tomorrow & Sunday), and they're obligated to give 24 hours notice, but we've requested nicely that they give us as much notice as possible. Anyway, we got our notice today (the absolute MINIMUM they have to give us, thanks for that). One of the 2 agents called my partner and told her it'd be at 12-12.30pm both days (TOTALLY inconvenient for us, but what can we do? We have no choice. They never negotiate with us. We've already told them POINTLESSLY that 11am is best for us but they are deaf to what we want), and when I came home the Form 9 was under the door, but it said 11-11.30am so I was like, what?? I was PLEASED cause it's a good time for us and the Form 9 is the one we have to obey, you know? Not telephone calls and the fact the board outside had a sticker that said 12-12.30pm. That's their issue. Anyway, so we went by the Ray White office tonight and asked the (very rude) woman there about it. She said she'd call the agent who is in charge of the open houses this weekend. He said the PA got the form wrong and she'd put the time for someone else's inspection on our form and our time on their form. Our time IS actually 12-12.30pm. I said NO, the Form 9 says 11-11.30am so THAT is the time you are ALLOWED LEGALLY to enter the premises. The agent said no sorry, it has to be 12-12.30pm as this is the time on the board and printed in their open house brochure for the weekend. I have been saying many rude words about this. I cannot get over the fact that we clearly have NO rights in this. The only rights we DID have were the Form 9s, but now Ray White are COMPLETELY ignoring them too. This Form 9 for the weekend's open houses (that says 11-11.30am) is completely VOID and INVALID if they come at 12-12.30pm. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED ENTRY TO THE PREMISES AT 12-12.30pm BECAUSE THE FORM DOES NOT STATE THAT TIME!!!!!! Why should WE be responsible (punished and have to be doormats) because of THEIR inter-office mistakes?!?! It has NOTHING to do with us what they do. If they put the wrong time on the form, NOTHING to do with us. If they put the wrong time on the board, or the time in the brochure is wrong...TOO BAD. The Form 9 is ALL we have to look at. Are we within our rights to lodge a dispute with the RTA now? How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 9Aug 23, 2008 12:48 pm Grace, I live in a different state and, hence, different conditions but the incorrect Form 9 may be a moot point (I think). However, have they given you the Form 10 yet? If not, this might give you some leverage. Good Luck! 'We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.' - Winston Churchill Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 10Aug 23, 2008 5:52 pm Is the incorrect Form 9 really a moot point?? I sort of think it's important, not because it's incorrect, but because they insisted against our wishes that they come in at 12-12.30pm despite the fact the Form 9 said 11-11.30am.
So they were permitted by law to enter the premises at 11-11.30am as per the form, but they came at a time not specified on the form, and gave us no choice, and THIS is my problem. And no, no Form 10. We won't ever get one. They're also supposed to be giving our rental agents copies of all Form 9s they issue, but our agents have received none. How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 12Aug 23, 2008 8:21 pm I highly doubt it, but who knows. lol
The agents are on the Gold Coast, they're 2 guys, and beyond that, I don't know or really care frankly. How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 14Aug 23, 2008 10:48 pm Ha! We're not allowed to as tenants.
What makes matters even more annoying is today we had planned to speak to the agent about it, saying we didn't have to legally let him in today and he better bring a proper Form 9 tomorrow or he wasn't coming in at that time tomorrow, but he spent most of the time outside, with people coming through (well, the ONE person who came. That's another issue we have with all this, which I'll get to in a second), and then the minute he was around and free, his phone rang and then he hastily left, completely avoiding us. But not tomorrow. We will follow him out when he leaves if required. Anyway, ONE person came to the open house. The same as last time, when one person came Saturday and 2 on Sunday, none of which were interested. The agents for some unknown reason do not advertise the property anywhere except online and their own open for inspection brochures. They do not put it in the paper or in their open for inspection section in the paper. We don't know why, but this would possibly explain why nobody ever turns up to the open houses. Every single time people have come in, it's simply because they're either neighbours or have happened to be walking by. They're not actually interested in buying, they're just curious. I think ONE person this whole time has been interested, and because they didn't put the price in the ad (which was in the paper that one time), they weren't suitable either and left quickly upon learning the price. So we're being inconvenienced week after week for nothing. Why aren't they advertising properly? Why can't they get the simple Form 9 right? SUCKS! How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 16Aug 25, 2008 10:15 am I know, I know! But we don’t want to cause trouble. We want our bond back! lol How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 17Aug 25, 2008 5:00 pm Quote: They do not put it in the paper or in their open for inspection section in the paper. We don't know why, Probably because the vendor has the option of which tier advetising they want from the agent and have opted for the cheapest which is only internal advertising. As you have seen, obviously false economy Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 18Aug 26, 2008 10:51 am The vendor seems a bit of an idiot to me. He bought the property for $357,000 2 years ago. He has been trying to sell it since February this year (for $495,000). He bought and his first attempt at selling was through our rental agents. They had several people through (all individual private inspections, no open houses) for quite some time and he apparently had an offer of $485,000 but he refused.
After several months, he considered the agents weren’t doing enough so took it off the market, got it valued by Ray White and then hired them to sell it (with a price drop of $475,000). It’s now been on the market through Ray White for a month and they have had a grand total of 12 people through the entire time, and only 2 have been actually mildly interested. 1 came through a private inspection and was interested, and out of the 10 people who’ve come in from all the open houses (every weekend, both days, grr) only 1 has had any interest whatsoever. All the others have just wandered in off the street. We assumed the vendor wasn’t too keen to spend any money to sell it (ads, etc). He hasn’t spent any money on the actual property (and it does need things done), and yet puts the rent up $20-$40 a week every single time the lease expires and is renewed (every 6 months. He won’t give a 12 month lease. We’ve been here 5 years but he wants to be able to put the rent up more regularly). Anyway, so now he’s dropped it again to $459,000. We think this is a joke considering he probably could’ve sold it back in March/April for $485,000! How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 19Aug 29, 2008 4:07 pm The latest installment in the Ray White saga...
We asked them last weekend (when they technically shouldn't have come in at the time they did anyway) to let us know as early as possible (Wednesday/Thursday) what time the next open house (for this weekend) would be, as it's a public holiday here today (Friday) and we need to make appointments on Wednesday and Thursday for the weekend with tradesmen and such. At that point they weren't sure there even would BE an open house as they were speaking to the owner during the week. The agent said he'd let us know. We heard nothing. On Thursday night when we got home we saw the disc on the For Sale sign out the front had 10-10.30am on it for Sat & Sun. We were like, oh. Ok then. Thanks for letting us know!!!!! Today is Friday. There has been no Form 9, which they are legally required to issue to us with a MINIMUM of 24 hours notice, before they can enter for the open house or to show people the premises. So...in my opinion, they chose not to give us the required Form 9, so they also have chosen not to have the open house. We tried to call them but they (both agents in charge of the open houses) didn't answer their phones (we left a msg on both), and the office girl was very unhelpful and said she couldn't do anything. CONSTANT PROBLEMS!!! How the hell did I become a senior member!? I know nothing! Re: Anyone know about inspections of for sale rented premises? 20Sep 01, 2008 1:51 pm I think you need to go above these people to the board of real estate or whatever governing body there is that says you need these "form 9's". They are quite obviously breaking the rules and you need to pull them up on it. You have mandatory building inspections and privately engaged building inspections. The difference between the two comes down to inspecting the building so it's safe and… 3 18733 The most definitive answer to your question James is this taken from the James Hardie Axon Cladding Installation Guide - i just happen to have it… 5 4123 I had an old shower unit that broke on me and when I took it off, there were only 2 water pipes, instead of the normal 2 water pipes and a shower head pipe. S o I… 0 37368 |