Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1101May 10, 2015 6:16 am I have my electrical appointment on Monday and one thing that slipped my mind was Foxtel. Has anyone had provisions or future wiring installed for when they get Foxtel put in after hand over? I hate wires and I assume if TVs are wall hung and then you get Foxtel installed later there will be visible cables no? Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1102May 10, 2015 6:36 am We arranged our Foxtel point at colour selection. I actually forgot about it at electrical as well. It's worth asking the question at Clipsal but I am not sure if it is something that they organise. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1104May 11, 2015 4:01 pm Hello Everyone, Busy couple of weeks, we had colour appointment & electrical appointment on Thursday and Friday. We have designer inclusions, and honestly didn't upgrade to much other than carpet & underlay, we made our benchtop a little longer (yes they allowed us to do this during colour appointment) added a shower recess to ensuite, changed kitchen sink, I will post variation cost in my feed once received. Electrical not so good we spent an extra 4.8K ontop of allowance, we were expecting 3k so not to bad but still a little shock. Good news though, our plans were sent to the certifier on 1st May and i received a call this morning to advise it has all been approved and they will receive the certificate on Thursday or Friday to be able to issue a start date asap. YAYYYY!!! I cannot wait and hope that the date will be before the end of may I have been speaking to Chloe at head office and she has been amazing compared to our SC, she is my go to when I have any questions at all & has been so efficient! Great to see every ones builds taking place! Modified Sapphire - Wauchope NSW https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=75816&p=1302396#p1302396 Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1105May 11, 2015 4:39 pm Hi Elise&tim I had my clipsal appointment today and boom $9500 spent on just labour and installation. Obviously PowerPoints, bathroom exhaust fans and switches thrown in but I must supply all my lights which I imagine will be approx another $3000 if I can find a sale. The charge of $75 per down light installation is in my opinion is ridiculous! If you have 4 in one room that's nearly $300 for a bit of cable and 10mins work. How has everyone else done there electrical? Is it possible to not use clipsal at all and find your own private qualified electrician that will do a cash job for the whole job? Will Coral allow this? To me it just seems daylight robbery. Obviously and electrician charges x amount of dollars the clipsal add on there margin which seems to be heaps. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1106May 11, 2015 4:53 pm MatDon Hi Elise&tim I had my clipsal appointment today and boom $9500 spent on just labour and installation. Obviously PowerPoints, bathroom exhaust fans and switches thrown in but I must supply all my lights which I imagine will be approx another $3000 if I can find a sale. The charge of $75 per down light installation is in my opinion is ridiculous! If you have 4 in one room that's nearly $300 for a bit of cable and 10mins work. How has everyone else done there electrical? Is it possible to not use clipsal at all and find your own private qualified electrician that will do a cash job for the whole job? Will Coral allow this? To me it just seems daylight robbery. Obviously and electrician charges x amount of dollars the clipsal add on there margin which seems to be heaps. It is crazy I know, we got told to hold off on lots of things and pay cash, as I work at a real estate and our electrician knows the Clipsal electrician and promised that he would do things cash, so we left out extra power points to bedrooms ad tv points as it was already over budget and we still are supplying 3 pendant lights to kitchen and all fans with lights to bedroom & living areas etc. I think it is the same with every building company though, its how they make their money. Modified Sapphire - Wauchope NSW https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=75816&p=1302396#p1302396 Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1107May 11, 2015 4:59 pm So what do you suggest? Lol I know that included is roughly $4300 from coral and I had $5000 allowance added in to my contract, but I was expecting this $5000 to cover supply and installation not $5000 for installation and then have to go and buy the lights etc for another $3000. Can I just delete mostly everything but keep a few items to make them happy and source my own sparky and show him the clipsal print out of what I want? Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1108May 11, 2015 5:32 pm Hi Mat, it is a tricky one read earlier in this thread and daydreams also I think it was, people have had different experiences with the onsite sparkys. Its pot luck whether they do cash work or not. I think if you make sure in wall stuff is covered and one downlight in each room etc maybe, you will have more luck getting sparky to put in more off the one downlight for example, if that makes sense. I think the electrical prices are rediculous at $78 for owner installed light. My friend just had 12 downlights installed he supplied lights the sparky charged $250 cash to install them all so its clearly a complete rip off. Though think about it everyone needs their cut, Clipsal, Coral and sparky that adds up... Im doing some stuff with clipsal and taking a chance with onsite sparky, clipsal sales guy even said he will move stuff if I need him too etc. Making sure real tricky bits are done and if sparky goes no onsite, then I know everything is still easily managable for sparky after handover. Thats my plan Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1109May 11, 2015 5:50 pm MatDon Hi Elise&tim I had my clipsal appointment today and boom $9500 spent on just labour and installation. Obviously PowerPoints, bathroom exhaust fans and switches thrown in but I must supply all my lights which I imagine will be approx another $3000 if I can find a sale. The charge of $75 per down light installation is in my opinion is ridiculous! If you have 4 in one room that's nearly $300 for a bit of cable and 10mins work. How has everyone else done there electrical? Is it possible to not use clipsal at all and find your own private qualified electrician that will do a cash job for the whole job? Will Coral allow this? To me it just seems daylight robbery. Obviously and electrician charges x amount of dollars the clipsal add on there margin which seems to be heaps. Hi MatDon As Browndog said we've had an interesting time with the Sparky although all sorted now. We had the extra light fittings, power points, TV points and fans included in our contract so it was covered by the finance. Any variation costs and cash jobs have been entirely self-funded.This was for the baton lights. We bought our own lights. We took a risk and told the Clipsal guy we'd stick with the batons for now & look at switching later hoping that we could do a cash job with the sparky. We were told $78 per owner supplied light fitting (with extra wiring for the additional lights ready included in the contract at ?$70 each from memory) through Clipsal. The Sparky is doing it for $15 + GST each, total of around $1000 for over 50 light points. I think it's easier to ensure you have all the wiring there and then hope for a cash job. It will save you thousands. You should be able to meet with the electrician onsite before he does anything so if needed you should be able to move power points etc. Hope that helps. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1110May 11, 2015 8:08 pm It's obvious that none of you have ever run a contracting business, especially not an electrical contracting business. $70-80 per point is on the high-ish side for domestic rates, but certainly not robbery as you seem to be suggesting. You will hear all sorts of reports of a friend getting X work done for such a cheap price, but the bottom line is the contractor has a business to run. They have all sorts of safety requirements to fulfil, stuff that you don't see or know about. All sorts of overheads, insurances, employee costs etc. Keep in mind that Coral screws the subtrades down to unsustainably low fixed prices for the standard inclusions in order to be able to offer such a cheap base build price that people seem to find so attractive. The only way the subtrades can turn a profit is on extras. I know thso because 10 years ago, before I had the good sense to go back to uni, that was me. It is impossible for an electrician to make a profit on a standard house. The standard Coral rates for a standard house barely covers materials and overheads, let alone labour. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1111May 11, 2015 8:17 pm 1960sModernistHome It's obvious that none of you have ever run a contracting business, especially not an electrical contracting business. $70-80 per point is on the high-ish side for domestic rates, but certainly not robbery as you seem to be suggesting. You will hear all sorts of reports of a friend getting X work done for such a cheap price, but the bottom line is the contractor has a business to run. They have all sorts of safety requirements to fulfil, stuff that you don't see or know about. All sorts of overheads, insurances, employee costs etc. Keep in mind that Coral screws the subtrades down to unsustainably low fixed prices for the standard inclusions in order to be able to offer such a cheap base build price that people seem to find so attractive. The only way the subtrades can turn a profit is on extras. I know thso because 10 years ago, before I had the good sense to go back to uni, that was me. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Yes you are exactly right about businesses. We are the same with our removals business everyone wants it cheaper and there are those out there doing it for the cheap rates and we honestly can't see how they can keep their business running. I certainly don't see how it could be for any profit anyway. Or with good quality and quite often they aren't insured either. Whether the same principles apply to other trades I can't comment on. I guess it all comes down to time, effort and research on behalf of ourselves as to whether we can save any money with a different contractor or not. My build viewtopic.php?t=76386 Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1112May 11, 2015 8:31 pm 1960sModernistHome It's obvious that none of you have ever run a contracting business, especially not an electrical contracting business. $70-80 per point is on the high-ish side for domestic rates, but certainly not robbery as you seem to be suggesting. You will hear all sorts of reports of a friend getting X work done for such a cheap price, but the bottom line is the contractor has a business to run. They have all sorts of safety requirements to fulfil, stuff that you don't see or know about. All sorts of overheads, insurances, employee costs etc. Keep in mind that Coral screws the subtrades down to unsustainably low fixed prices for the standard inclusions in order to be able to offer such a cheap base build price that people seem to find so attractive. The only way the subtrades can turn a profit is on extras. I know thso because 10 years ago, before I had the good sense to go back to uni, that was me. It is impossible for an electrician to make a profit on a standard house. The standard Coral rates for a standard house barely covers materials and overheads, let alone labour. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's the same Coral sparky that is doing this work for us. Why would I pay several thousand to do exactly the same thing through Clipsal? I would rather the sparky has the money direct. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1113May 11, 2015 8:33 pm I run my own business also and understand all the above don't worry, I am constantly running into issues as stated above. I also know electricians that run their own business's and if they are telling me $78 per downlight fitting is on the super high end then I have to go by what they say. Though as I stated in my last post, their are 3 players that need make some profit, Coral, Clipsal and the electrician, therfore the price they feel they need to charge is $78 per fitting. If you can afford and are happy to pay that price for fitting all your owner supplied lights thats fine, if your not just wait until handover and you will be charged a lot less from every electrician I have come into contact with at least. Same as framing a house get a carpenter to do it privately it will cost you a hell of a lot more than what project builders are charging, some things are cheaper some are not. I'm building a project home for the simple reason I could not afford to pay a builder to do it I have a few friends that are builders and even at mates rates they could not come close to what Coral are charging and offering. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1114May 11, 2015 8:35 pm I'm not sure what the arrangement is with Clipsal. There was never such a thing in my day. I agree - go direct to your electrician. If he is willing to work for cheap rates that is entirely his decision
If I remember correctly, we were charging around $65 + GST per extra light point for Coral 10 years ago. Coral's standard inclusion rate for a light point was $27.50 + GST. Here is a breakdown of costs for a typical lighting circuit with 10 lights per circuit $100 of cable (100m @ $1/m) 5 light switches @ $10 ea Circuit breaker safety switch $60 3 hours of labour to install cables, lights, switches, circuit breaker and testing and documentation @ $70hr $20 Miscellaneous materials, fixings etc = $440 Coral pay around $275 Now hopefully people can see why extras costs are seemingly high. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1115May 11, 2015 8:40 pm Browndog yes our builder friend said the same thing. We asked if he could build our house for us and he said there was no way he could compete with the project builders unfortunately. My build viewtopic.php?t=76386 Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1116May 11, 2015 8:59 pm Shanniidc Browndog yes our builder friend said the same thing. We asked if he could build our house for us and he said there was no way he could compete with the project builders unfortunately. My build viewtopic.php?t=76386 Just looked at your thread Shanniidc, We have a few similar bits to you in our house choices, it is hilarious though how prices are so different for the same things in different threads. Bet your excited to have some piering done, we can't wait to actually get something happening. Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1117May 11, 2015 9:04 pm MatDon I have my electrical appointment on Monday and one thing that slipped my mind was Foxtel. Has anyone had provisions or future wiring installed for when they get Foxtel put in after hand over? I hate wires and I assume if TVs are wall hung and then you get Foxtel installed later there will be visible cables no? If you want to hang your TV on the wall and have the foxtel box remotely located, you will need a foxtel outlet installed where you want the box, and a HDMI cable from the box to your TV location. Personally I think Foxtel is the biggest rip off going, and I have unlimited NBN broadband and Netflix instead - but each to their own. Foxtel is maybe worth it if you're a sports fan Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1118May 11, 2015 9:41 pm browndog Shanniidc Browndog yes our builder friend said the same thing. We asked if he could build our house for us and he said there was no way he could compete with the project builders unfortunately. My build viewtopic.php?t=76386 Just looked at your thread Shanniidc, We have a few similar bits to you in our house choices, it is hilarious though how prices are so different for the same things in different threads. Bet your excited to have some piering done, we can't wait to actually get something happening. Haha yes definitely happy for piering! We counted them today it was dark but we counted 35. I have no idea how many they originally planned on doing but it seems like they haven't gone easy on them which makes me happy after our water issues haha My build viewtopic.php?t=76386 Re: Coral Homes general build thread 1119May 12, 2015 9:26 am 1960sModernistHome Personally I think Foxtel is the biggest rip off going, and I have unlimited NBN broadband and Netflix instead - but each to their own. Foxtel is maybe worth it if you're a sports fan +1 to that, they are just way too expensive for what you get. I had to sign up to them because Formula One is effectively only available there (FTA give you less than an hour of a 1.5 to 2 hour race), and I also get V8's, Indycar and a stack of other very interesting motor sport events on it, so I don't feel too bad about it. I had no plans of every getting it put back on after having it at our old home, as it was way too expensive for what you got, but the change in F1 broadcasting meant I really had no option but to get it. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . You should check your detail drawings, it may show downpipe within brick pier. 14 14597 Ask the council if there is a chance of getting build over easement exemption. Sometimes easements are unused and 24cm is not all that much. Good luck. And yes any builder… 2 14971 Hi so sorry for the late reply. I already contacted them and they wouldn't tell me instead they tried to get me to talk to one of their home coordinators and I'm not… 2 5999 |