Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 4Oct 02, 2013 8:20 pm http://camdenbuild.blogspot.com.au/ by invite only please pm me Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 6Oct 02, 2013 10:12 pm ----------------------------------------------- http://pab34newdigs.blogspot.com.au/ ----------------------------------------------- Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 8Oct 03, 2013 7:35 am http://camdenbuild.blogspot.com.au/ by invite only please pm me Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 9Oct 03, 2013 9:09 pm This is simple really. You signed a contract for a set price, however the contract assumes their will be no change to the design. Due to the council requirement, the builder now has to incur extra cost to modify the plans for your house. Remember that the DA is submitted with a relatively detailed set of plans. Looking at my plans, if a similar change occurred there would be 7 of the 10 pages that need to be changed. The effort to changes plans and other affected documentation costs the builder time ( and therefore money ). Someone has to do the work of making all the changes and getting them signed off and perhaps checked by council / certifiers, etc. They may also need to get some new quotes from suppliers/tradesman, etc. Their would also be material cost impacts. To add eaves to a section of the house would resulting in extra roofing materials. The real question is whether you are being charged a fair price for the change. Build thread: here Land Nov 12, Contract 6/07/13, Consent 15/08/13, Start 20/09/13, Slab 25/09/13, Frame 4/10/13, Brick 21/10/13, Roof 2/11/13, Lock-up 17/12/13, Handover 3/3/14 Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 10Oct 04, 2013 1:28 pm maximus Their would also be material cost impacts. To add eaves to a section of the house would resulting in extra roofing materials. The real question is whether you are being charged a fair price for the change. So why can't anyone explain to me why the cost of the eaves were not deducted from the set price to start with if I were not going to have them in the first place? There was nothing mentioned in the tender or contract for that matter of approximately how many lin metres would be needed for the proposed eaves which I am now told are a standard inclusion! I will say that these guys have not missed a trick when it comes to variances and now conveniently they produce a calculated approximate in lin metres for the extra cost of eaves. So as for the real question of 'being charged a fair price for the change' then the answer is an emphatic NO! There would have been no extra costs (in fact they would be banking $$$) with regard to extra materials no being used to start with because there were to be no eaves and so less to be drawn up! I have paid my fair share of extra,associated known and hidden costs along the way without too much fuss during and up to this point but,I draw the line with regard to this! It's now more a matter of principle and so as far as I'm concerned,the cost of having to redraw plans can sit squarely with the builder and in any case I'm sure their exorbitant margins would be more than able to absorb it Thanks for your simple explanation though I'll take it on board ........ And robbie55 thanks brotha I'll be taking it further Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 11Oct 06, 2013 7:50 am wombie I ask this because initially when we purchased our block of land we had the house design placed on a zero lot line (200 mm) to the left hand side of the boundary. That meant that the garage was to have no eaves due to zero lot line which was totally expected. I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve. By your own admission it was expected that there would be no eaves on the zero lot line. The builder would have expected this too and therefore not priced in eaves for this section. Then you need to add eaves, so there will be additional costs involved. You upgraded to the diamond package which increases the eaves width. That's good. But if there are no eaves in one section, there is nothing to increase the width on. Think of this another way.... The diamond package probably included upgraded basins or taps. But that does not mean they put a basin or tap in every room. They just upgraded the styles of basins/taps that are already on your plans. The package also included wider eaves. It doesn't mean they included eaves on the zero lot line. They just increased the width for eaves that are already on your plans. I doubt you will get far arguing with the builder. Just pay the extra and move on with your build. Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 12Oct 06, 2013 4:27 pm Ok lets say that the original tender was 250 k which was the price of the house in their 2013 price list which included eaves as standard for the build in it's entirety. Eaves along the portion of garage in this instance was 1 k for materials and labour given the variance they wanted me to sign this week. So would it not be reasonable to assume that the 1 k should have been deducted from the original tender in the first instance leaving a grand total of 249 k ? I would have thought so but no,instead they make no such deduction and now want me to pay for that portion of eave again taking the total to 251 k ..... 1 k up on the original tender. And so no I will not pay the extra and move on with the build as you so eloquently put it (btw the build hasn't even started yet) but instead,I will take my grievance up with him because I feel that I am paying for that portion of eave twice! If during discussions with him he can convince me otherwise then so be it. What I am trying to achieve in this instance is simple really and that is for a fair go! Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 13Oct 06, 2013 7:30 pm Have you considered that perhaps there is a cost involved in removing the eaves in the first place? Slight redesign of the roof, loads, drafting costs? Maybe that's why the original price never changed, it all worked out in the wash at the same price. Now... You're adding back the eaves. The original work still has to be paid for! I really don't think it's that unfair that it's now very slightly more expensive. Why didn't you kick up a fuss in the first place when the price didn't change when you went to zero clearance? Has it already gone to council? Will it now need to go again and incur more costs? Maybe that's where some of the cost has come from? Just a few alternate points of view. Not necessarily saying your unjustified in feeling aggrieved, but from the builders perspective there is now some increased work changing it back, and someone (you) ultimately pays. 4 Re: Are eaves a standard inclusion? 14Oct 06, 2013 8:01 pm Thank you for your input seano I will take it on board. seano Why didn't you kick up a fuss in the first place when the price didn't change when you went to zero clearance? I did and got fobbed off so I'm just tired of turning the other cheek..... Update from me! Couldn't find the trimmer - not sure if there isn't one simply because the eave is so narrow. Went ahead with the spring toggles and it all worked out… 7 6223 The two 15mm holes are obviously not compliant. The Dept of Fair Trading would love to see this one! Do the gutters pool water after it stops raining? Although it's… 4 8645 Which ceiling hook to use to hang Xmas lights under Eaves in 1st floor in 2 storey façade (no… 0 989 |