Building A New House
Feb 16, 2014 10:55 pm
I think it's time that I start my own thread as I've been hijacking lots of other people's
We've asked to go ahead with drawing up contracts with Sekisui House so it's very likely to happen now
We're building the Sade 280 but with modifications to the floor plan so that we get a dedicated Home Theatre by combining two of the bedrooms (so its officially only a 3 bedroom house with lots of living areas!)
We got our pricing back today after starting the process back in October 2013. Hopefully things will move a bit quicker now?
The biggest sticker shock for us was the Bearers and Joist construction costs as we wanted to stay on one level and we have a sloping block. However I don't think we'd want the house if it stepped down (because we have a bit of a view to the rear of the block). It was an additional $64k And this is on a base house price of under $200k. And we still have substantial site costs. Anyway we'll have to stretch a bit but it does mean a lot of the extra things we wanted are being parked... but what we have still included are things we feel we can't change easily ourselves or are no-brainers. Like higher ceilings, bigger doors/windows/openings, wider than standard garage. We've given up things like 3 coats of paint (we can do that ourselves), the double vanity in the ensuite (we have never had one and seriously don't need one...).
Yikes! I'm looking back at the $64k... and thinking that all our upgrades we ever wanted would probably not have reached that number *sigh* It's just the price we have to pay I suppose... I keep telling myself that it will not mean as much 5+ years down the track!
We still need to finalise colours but are planning to go with PGH Gravel brick, Colorbond roof (colour TBD), Black colonial bar windows. Kitchen was going to be shaker style but due to above budget cuts we're going to DIY shaker style kitchen doors a few years down the track. So now I'll have to find a laminate I like. We have an upgrade pack that includes Caesarstone and a glass splashback as well as upgraded appliances. Any ideas on a good laminate that will be good with a Caesarstone colour and be able to handle being changed to shaker style kitchen doors down the track are welcome
Re: KDR Build with Sekisui House (Sydney)2
Mar 02, 2014 7:42 am
Colour Appointment time tomorrow...
And we're still doing paint patches! So nothings been locked in yet.
Colours so far
Gravel Brick PGH
Monument Colorbond roof
Monument Colorbond gutters
Monument Colorbond downpipes
Paperbark Colorbond Fascia
Feature brick (won't be seen at same time as main brick) = Blackett (PGH)
Windows are Black aluminium with Colonial Glazed bars (for most windows not all)
For the bathrooms we've gone with Translucent White glazing rather than obscurity glass
Paint - we're still doing sample pots! but it's looking like something else like Donkey 1/4 or Reiki or Mouse (Wattyl paints from "The Finishing Touch" or "Essentials Colour Palette"
The one on the right hand side... Nova Brown.
This we're doing after handover and getting via Harvey Norman. We'll be carpeting the bedroom and home theatre.
Bathroom we haven't locked in but it's looking like this combo
Undecided! As I really wanted to go Shaker style but for cost purposes I can definitely just go the 'standard' inclusions...
Urban (grey) Caesarstone tops
White base cabinets (with some timber grain look)
Dark brown timber grain top cabinets
Glass splashback in something fairly neutral (white-ish)
==> Any advice for the kitchen would be welcome
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment tomo3
Mar 08, 2014 9:18 am
We had our colour appointment during the week and ended up with a couple of changes and colours locked in for the Kitchen and bathroom
Kitchen benchtop is Urban (Caesarstone)
Base cabinets Laminex Domain Riven finish
Top cabinets Laminex Parchment
We've opted for slightly longer cabinet doors to hide the lights we'll install after handover and so I don't need handles. The bottom cabinets we've also asked for no handles so we can add them later.
Bathroom benchtop is Walnut (Caesarstone)
Cabinets Formica Finesse Sand
Top row is kitchen colours, bottom row is bathroom
More details can be found on the blog.
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done5
Mar 09, 2014 8:02 pm
Would be great to have someone who is also going through with Sekisui to share our experience with
The designs are very different to most of the other builders so it's hard to compare if you really like the floor plan like we do
Let me know how you go!
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done6
Mar 09, 2014 8:24 pm
Yeah we looked at tons of different plans as well as considered renovating like you did. We found a plans we like, but didn't love, until we came across this particular Sekisui one. And as renovating to a similar standard as a new home wouldn't have been any cheaper we've decided to knock down rebuild... or hopefully get someone to take the house away.
I've had a look at your blog and I saw a list of extras you didn't end up getting because of the extra bearers & joists cost. Just wondering what extras/changes you decided to keep? We've listed a heap for our sales person and have received some prices, but I'm keen to see what you chose in case we've missed something? I'm also keen to see what prices they charged you and compare to what we've been quoted! Oh, also did you get any special promotion or deal?
So many questions.. Thanks!
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done7
Mar 09, 2014 9:39 pm
which one are you planning to build? (plan/building name).
Would be keen to hear what you have decided on or asked for as well...
Here are all our changes we wanted to keep at the time of the estimate... straight out of my spreadsheet so just warning you
You'll see the promotion we had (below) was the Double up and Save promotion which provides for upgraded bathroom and kitchen features and ducted air cond all for $1990. The kitchen and bathroom gets things like Caesarstone and glass splashback (yes Starphire), soft close doors and special basins and a kitchen appliance package which is 900mm rather than the standard 600mm and includes things like a microwave oven and dishwasher.
We decided to keep the following
Promotion Double up and Save 1990
Basic Site Costs 19900
Site Costs and Service Connections 23075
Local Authority 10025
Energy Efficiency (incl rainwater tank) 6175
Increase Ceiling Height to 2590mm 5292
Provide a 1760 mm extension to garage width 8020
Provide Bearer and Joist construction to suite - suspended particle board timber floor in lieu of concrete slab construction 64381
Provide a broom finish concrete slab between garage and living room 7810
Provide external steps and landing from the laundry 3137
Provide Colorbond Corrugated Steel roof 0
Provide 50mm thick Anticon blanket insulation 325
Provide off-white mortar 390
Provide M3 - Marine Classification strength mortar 139
Windows and Doors as per stegbar (note 3 with colonial bars, 2 with no colonial bars) 15933
Toughened Obscure Glazing 120
Door for Laundry (price under question) 705
Comfort Plus 6.38mm glazing 8700
Windows flyscreen 350
Provide Classic Sandstock to Alfresco external walls 1380
Relocate rooms and add door to Home Theatre 584
Provide R1.8 noise control batts to Home Theatre 310
Sliding cavity door 2040 x 820 - hallway servicing guest bed/bath/laundry 290
Sliding cavity door 2040 x 820 - Pantry / Lounge 35
Sliding cavity door 2040 x 920 - Pantry / Kitchen 325
Tacked on Skirting 150
Delete internal hinge door to pantry and provide L shaped pantry shelving 217
Laminate back panel to kitchen island bench 255
Ducting of rangehood through roof 255
Cold water point to fridge 120
Blanco CGL905WXFFC 185
Relief shadowline from ceiling and increase overhead cupboards 575
Caroma Regal II close coupled suites 470
Interchange bathroom and WC 0
Recessed Tiled shower niche (450w 600h) ensuite 480
Ducted fan/light/heater to bath and ensuite 1140
Ducted ceiling fan laundry 300
Internal gas bayonet to external 197
Additional Garden Tap 40
Capped Cold water point and capped off drainage point in garage 305
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done8
Mar 09, 2014 11:18 pm
Wow, great list. Definitely some things on there we hadn't thought of.
Firstly - do you think the companies read these threads?
That promotion you got doesn't seem to exist anymore, it sounds better than the one they have going now ($10K of upgrades for $2k for contracts under $250k, or $20K of upgrades for $5k for contracts over 250K). The current promotion only goes until March 31 and it's very VERY unlikely we'll sign up before then so I'm keen to know what their next deal is. I wonder if they'd honestly tell me if I asked..
I've got a stack of questions to ask you about your list..
1. Promotion Double up and Save 1990 Unfortunately not available at the moment or hasn't been offered to us. Current promotion is good if you don't want what was offered in yours, but if you do (as we do) then i think yours works out better. (We've been quoted $13,000 for AC, $3,400 for Caesar top to kitchen and $800 to each bathroom vanity alone (all up $18,000). That doesn't include the splashback upgrade, soft close and appliances...)
2. Basic Site Costs 19900 Do you know what this includes? We've requested a site inspection though hasn't happened as yet.
3. Site Costs and Service Connections 23075 As above - what's different in this and the item above?
4. Local Authority 10025 Interestingly our salesman confirmed this was included in our base price (which surprised me. But I have it in writing now.)
5. Energy Efficiency (incl rainwater tank) 6175 What else other than the tank does this refer to?
6. Increase Ceiling Height to 2590mm 5292 We're getting this too. Have been told it's $18/m2 to do this.
7. Provide a 1760 mm extension to garage width 8020
8. Provide Bearer and Joist construction to suite - suspended particle board timber floor in lieu of concrete slab construction 64381
9. Provide a broom finish concrete slab between garage and living room 7810 May I ask what area m2 this is? I've asked them for a price to concrete our back patio but haven't been given one yet.
10. Provide external steps and landing from the laundry 3137
11. Provide Colorbond Corrugated Steel roof 0
12. Provide 50mm thick Anticon blanket insulation 325
13. Provide off-white mortar 390
14. Provide M3 - Marine Classification strength mortar 139
15. Windows and Doors as per stegbar (note 3 with colonial bars, 2 with no colonial bars) 15933 Do they usually use Stegbar doors and windows? Did you just get different style doors to their standard?
16. Toughened Obscure Glazing 120 To ensuite and bathroom?
17. Door for Laundry (price under question) 705
18. Comfort Plus 6.38mm glazing 8700 To entire house?
19. Windows flyscreen 350 To entire house? It annoys me that flyscreens aren't included. They're a basic thing that everyone wants!
20. Provide Classic Sandstock to Alfresco external walls 1380
21. Relocate rooms and add door to Home Theatre 584
22. Provide R1.8 noise control batts to Home Theatre 310 We're going to get this done too, though considering to get it through most internal walls
23. Sliding cavity door 2040 x 820 - hallway servicing guest bed/bath/laundry 290
24. Sliding cavity door 2040 x 820 - Pantry / Lounge 35
25. Sliding cavity door 2040 x 920 - Pantry / Kitchen 325
26. Tacked on Skirting 150
27. Delete internal hinge door to pantry and provide L shaped pantry shelving 217
28. Laminate back panel to kitchen island bench 255
29. Ducting of rangehood through roof 255 Great idea! Had missed this one.
30. Cold water point to fridge 120 We're going to do this too
31. Blanco CGL905WXFFC 185 Lovely cook top!
32. Relief shadowline from ceiling and increase overhead cupboards 575 Is this so there is no gap between cupboards and ceiling?
33. Caroma Regal II close coupled suites 470 Hadn't thought of this. What made you chose these ones over their standard?
34. Interchange bathroom and WC 0
35. Recessed Tiled shower niche (450w 600h) ensuite 480 Didn't consider the niche but I'd love one too
36. Ducted fan/light/heater to bath and ensuite 1140 Again didn't consider this either, will add it to our list
37. Ducted ceiling fan laundry 300 As above
38. Internal gas bayonet to external 197 As above! Will you connect this to your bbq?
39. Additional Garden Tap 40
40. Capped Cold water point and capped off drainage point in garage 305
Other things we're doing:
- extra 600mm length to house (600 to garage on one side of house, and 300 to each spare room on the other) :Not Priced
- remove store and make ensuite larger :$215 for extra water proofing apparently (to be discussed.. they save on walling and the door to the store room!)
- door to 'study' :Not Priced
- move linen along, make 3 doors wide instead of 2, make WIR larger :$490
- sliding door to patio from Master bedroom in lieu of window :360
- replace external garage door with window :-180
- solid core cavity sliding doors to theatre :780
- remove wall between two dining spaces :-480
- possibly stepping garage down by two steps :Not Priced
- bungalow facade : 9800
- flyscreens on all doors and windows :Not Priced
- upgrading from 600mm to 900mm appliances :Not Priced
- upgrading to ceasar stone bench tops (20mm thick) :3400 for kitchen, 800 for each vanity
- possibly putting data wiring in house :Not Priced
- LPG as we don't have natural gas :790 connection, 690 for instantaneous hot water
- in a bushfire zone so will need gutter guards (and the fly screens on all openings) :Not Priced
- remote control to garage doors :695 (i presume combined for both doors as the bungalow has two smaller doors not one larger one)
- Insulation to internal walls :Not priced
- Obscure glass to ensuite and bathroom : 80/room (total 160)
- cold water point to fridge :Not priced
Things we may do ourselves if they don't offer a competitive price/we feel we could do cheaper
- internal doors to be solid core (could replace with solid core and sell hollow core ones later) :Not Priced
- extra GPOs :$50/double point
- ceiling fans :Not Priced
- extra lights :Not Priced
- additional TV points :$50/point
- remote control to garage doors :Not Priced
- ducted air con :$13,000
- pot/other drawers to kitchen in lieu of lower cupboards :$200/drawer (i need to confirm if these are soft closing or not)
- driveway :Not Priced
- Floor coverings :Not priced
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done9
Mar 10, 2014 7:29 am
If I was a building company I'd definitely be reading but from what I can see... a lot of them don't bother. When you think about it it is fairly time consuming and there is a lot they can't do about it at least nothing that is immediately apparent (ie it takes a long time to turn a ship!)
Yeah the promotion we had was pretty good and that ended by end of December to put down the initial fee amount.
Are you building in Sydney or NSW?
They wouldn't be able to tell you about the next promotion as I doubt they would know what it was anyway... but they come and go... good to know we're getting a good deal though
Our Basic Site Costs they did outline. But it's a lot of allowances for the general stuff... I don't have my proposal handy but I'll try and get them to you when I'm home. I'm not sure why they separate them all but maybe so we feel better about it by separating it out!
Local authority were all the council regs good that you have it in writing!
The energy efficiency included the reports as well...
For no 9 and the concrete slab extra... this was a huge space approx 9 x 6 m
Stegbar is their supplier in NSW. Check the standard inclusions doc as they should have indicated it is Stegbar. Yeah we got stacker doors and increased the height (2400 vs 2100) and got the widest possible triple stacker doors. We to'd and fro'd about bifold and not bifold. We've also gone for the older look and included the noughts and crosses style windows
Yes obscure glazing for bathrooms. But I ended up asking them to get us the white translucent stuff instead as I am not a fan of the bubble glass and it wasn't too much more.
I'm arguing the door price for the laundry as we're changing from a glazed sliding door to a standard external door! If necessary I'll change it back to standard as it's a bit of a rort!
Yes the Comfort Plus was the whole house in the end.
Flyscreens -- we're arguing having to pay for this as well as it was in our Inclusions brochure when we first went to look at the house. At least for the windows.
I think the noise control batts is a good idea for internal but as we have our Home Theatre in the middle of the house I think it's enough as a dampener.
Yeah I have an aversion to smells going through an open living designed house (re the ducting!)
The cooktop included in the package is exactly the same... but the wokburner in the included one is in the middle... hence the 'upgrade' to the wok burner on the side... a bit annoying to me that we have to pay extra but I suppose that's the deal they have...
Yeah I don't like gaps between the cupboard tops and ceiling hence the upgrade.
The toilet suite I've upgraded to has a ceramic cistern. We had a house with the plastic cistern (standard) and it kinda corrodes with certain cleaning liquids and can look a bit yuck.
Yeah we'll connect the external gas outlet to a BBQ. We didn't want one internally as eventually I want to consider getting a wood fire heater... not really a fan of the gas version.
How did you get the prices so far?
Facades are expensive. Something I'm glad about since we are on a battleaxe block!
Are you sparkies? Or have access to? Sounds like a good idea on the things you are adding in!
You may want to consider sliding doors for the wardrobes too?
And the sliding door you have in the master... just make sure you have a window in the room as well.... annoying you can't leave them open easily although as a sliding one at least you can get the security screen included.
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done10
Mar 11, 2014 1:05 pm
Nope not sparkies, I had just heard from others on here that it was sometimes cheaper to get a sparkie in later to add points/lights/etc is all. I'd heard that Rawson's charged $100 extra per point so am glad that Sekisui is only charging $50. My folks got some extra points put in their existing house recently, I've been meaning to ask how much they were charged to compare. Their sparky said if there's a power point on the other side of the wall then its incredible easy to put a new one backing onto it in the room adjacent. So if it works out cheaper to get someone else in we'll carefully position the points we're allocated so new ones can be put in on walls immediately behind.
The prices I've got so far are from our sales guy, he just printed out my list of questions, wrote prices on in red pen and emailed it back with his signature at the bottom. I'm going to send him an updated list as I re-did my spreadsheet last night and now have a lot more questions for him!
He's also come out and inspected our site and will have a list of site costs ready for us on Saturday to discuss at his office. SO excited!
I've just realised I've hijacked your thread... Sorry! The colours you've picked are great, it's going to look lovely. Have you built the Sade in 3D in that computer program from your blog and put the right colours/textures onto it? I've got a similar program to what you used and have built ours in 3D on our block. So much fun
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Mar 11, 2014 1:13 pm
Feel free to hijack away. There's not much happening here anyway at this stage
Yeah my hubby has a friend who is a sparkie so we get mates rates and we've done the same in organising powerpoints strategically. We're also going bearers and joists which means we can get UNDER the house and install stuff (and drop cables down the wall). If it's a concrete slab it's a bit more difficult. Don't forget the floor power points for any floor lamps.
What program are you using? We can't get it to site on our block so something that does land contours would be great!
I was reading about colours in another thread and realised we didn't take as much time with colours (2.5 hours?) but that could be because Sekisui do colours a bit differently in that you do them before (or during when) you go to contract rather than after. And there isn't really a selections room and we're on a budget
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Mar 11, 2014 1:40 pm
I've built it in archicad. I've put in textures, materials, our current furniture, our 'one day' furniture (on different layers), landscaping, even photos on the wall.. Haha a bit nerdy really. If I can figure out how, I'll post a screen shot from it.
I'm wondering if we should hire a landscape designer to do a concept plan for us? We've got a reasonably large block and I've come up with an idea myself but am so keen to see what a trained person would think of. Have you thought about that?
I've contacted about 5 home removal companies, most don't extend their range to Newcastle. Only one is interested so I have to send them some internal photos of our current home so they can see if they'd be able to sell it or not. Honestly though, we don't even want it so I can't imagine anyone else will! BUT fingers crossed. Will save on demolition costs if we can convince someone to take it away.
In other news I did a budget and turns out we might have to sell our investment property in order to afford the new house. Ah babies and having to take time off work to raise them...Lucky they're worth it
Oh, how come you decided on 6.38 comfort glass? Have you heard from someone who's used it and noticed a difference? I'm going to ask our guy to price it for us too.
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Mar 11, 2014 2:04 pm
I'll check out archicad! Sounds pretty sophisticated. Would love to see a screenshot...
If you host the file somewhere (e.g. dropbox or something like photobucket) you can then link to it using the 'img' button.
Someone near my mum's place is getting their house removed but it looks like a right royal PITB. Compared to a demolition which is very quick. But definitely good to try. our house is falling apart (termites did some major damage) so I'll be so glad to be out of there and have it pushed over!)
There are some good bits and pieces worth salvaging in the house and I'll be soon listing it on my own online business (Oddswop) as we'll be putting a DIY renovators "community". So things like the nice doors we have we'll put on there even if we get a few dollars for it it's better than landfill.
We are selling a place too in the Hunter Valley area to fund the 'rest' of the build. Wanna buy it? We love the place but want to focus on one property -- the new house build!
With the glass we'd love to have double glazing (we're a bit 'green' on the edges!) but on speaking to a consultant they reckon'd we wouldn't really need it and that the comfort glass would be more than adequate to give us some benefits from preventing heat coming in during summer and leaking out in winter.
We thought about the landscape plan too and had someone out for a fee. But we just don't think we got good value there. So we're now going back to plan A which is we come up the plan with a lot of research. I did come across a DIY site which could be useful to you http://www.onlinegardendesign.com.au/
If you haven't already check out the sticky'd thread about "Things you forget". I found it very valuable to go through to see what I wanted to get priced up.
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Colour Appointment done14
Mar 14, 2014 4:39 pm
Apparently the contract is 'ready' so we'll be picking it up and reviewing it on Sunday. There is no chance we'll be signing it on the day as we'll want to review all the details before we put pen to paper.
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Mar 15, 2014 1:16 pm
That's exciting your contract is ready! Yes I agree, take as much time as you need to proof read it.
Thank you for the suggestion of the 'things you forgot' thread, I've spent the last week reading and then rereading it - it's brilliant.
As for the house you're selling, yes I do kind of want to buy it! Haha but alas it's a no go. Nice work on the website too, looks likes there's a fair few people selling things on it
We went and saw Sekisui this morning and I've decided I really like my sales guy. He's so down to earth and seems to be honest, it will be good dealing with him. He gave us a breakdown including site costs he can foresee. I haven't compared it to my own breakdown yet so will be interesting when I do. So it started at $188k (base price) and his is $276k.. not including a ton of things I've found we'll want from the other thread....
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Mar 15, 2014 10:31 pm
One thing we're getting is upgrading our timber frame to H2 termite treated frame. It's only costing $950 and adding some peace of mind. The guy said he is confident with their slab termite treatment, but I like the extra peace of mind.
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Mar 15, 2014 11:52 pm
Hey that's a good idea (the termite protection upgrade). And I'm so glad you like your sales guy. That always makes it easier.
I've just finished marking up all the niggly issues we have in the drawings and contract. So the contract isn't really the contract just the drawings and the contract 'price' (which is like the tender only the next stage...)
So many things on it that we're still concerned about but we're getting there... it all just takes time. Wish we could just go and sit with the draftsperson and work on it together and then make sure it all matches what's in the pricing! *sigh*
Meeting with them tomorrow to go through all of this.
On another note we had a demolition guy come out to give us a quote. We should hear back from them soon. The good news is a lot of things get recycled and he was urging me to sell what I can. (I of course slipped in Oddswop )
We moved a whole heap of plants to my mother in laws place so it's feeling a bit more real.
AND I started getting quotes on storage. I'm thinking of getting those pod type storage containers where we pack it and they store it and bring it back when we are ready to move stuff back in...
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Mar 20, 2014 1:29 pm
I've asked our sales guy for a heap more prices, with another page still yet to ask, and he's come back and said most of the items will be priced 'at the next stage'. We aren't comfortable arranging large sum variations and upgrades after we've already paid a deposit so are going to tell him that. Either he gets us prices now before we pay a deposit or we walk. Reckon it will work....?
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Mar 20, 2014 4:17 pm
hmm... not sure. It certainly sounds like they aren't short on 'orders' at the moment but at the same time sales people are most likely on some sort of quota / commission basis...
You can certainly try but if you are keen on the house then maybe just put the big ticket items in for a quote.
I think it boils down to if you really will walk or not...
They def don't try to make prices up on things but there are a lot of ... niggly issues e.g. we asked for a double vanity then saw the cost so ripped it out but the drawings still had them when we went to contract so we told them that we actually asked for it to be removed... and then they have come back and said it's standard for that particular house! (So does it mean we would have paid more had we kept it in the contract? yes... but then we wouldn't have known so probably wouldn't matter anyway... ) But it does make me wonder if there is anything else in the same boat
Re: KDR with Sekisui House (Sydney): Contract signed20
Mar 23, 2014 4:20 pm
Sekisui do their colours before contract signing... so just an update that we've signed the contract. The clock starts ticking... according to the contract it should take 180 days (working). So by my reckoning it's approx December when we should be done...
I'm not too stressed about the building timeframe at this stage but I'm sure I'll be like most people and wanting to get the keys "before Xmas"!!
At the same time I want the builders to get it right and don't want them to rush and do a bad job as I'm sure that they will be keen to finish a job and move on as much as anyone so any penalty that they may incur as a result of delaying our build completion isn't a real incentive.
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