Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 2Mar 14, 2013 12:50 pm My building thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=56583&start=120 Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 4Mar 14, 2013 1:30 pm Building a Delta 21 at Craigieburn - http://homeofzero.blogspot.com.au/ Deposit: 26/02. Contract: 22/05. Settlement: 29/05. Site start: 18/10. Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 5May 23, 2013 9:47 am Its easy for a Tradesmen to take your money. Its even easier to do somethings yourself Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 6May 23, 2013 12:01 pm hi Daniel Thanks for the reply I was looking into for a couple of reasons. 1) is that our estate requires any separate building to be made of the same materials as the house. I figured i may be able to get away with Hebel as it look the same once rendered and painted. 2) is cost. I had heard that in comparison to the cost of building a brick and render garage it would probably be considerably cheaper. 3) its quite light and also quite good when it comes to heating and cooling. I want this shed to be more of a man cave than a garage as such so the ability to heat and cool the building is also something to be considered. I am hoping i may have been given correct information as the garage in brick and render has been roughly quoted at around $30-$40k How do you go about hanging hebel bricks? Is it a bracket type system or bolted to a frame? I have a house down the street from me that is using it everywhere, even flooring, but havent been able to see exactly how its hung on the walls Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 7May 23, 2013 12:23 pm Where about are you building may i ask? Hebel panels are screwed into a timber or aluminium frame. Most of the time the panels are laid vertically and then screwed off. The problem with this is that you have one continuous joint from top to bottom. This method is quicker but as you can imagine that those joint create a movement joint where the render might crack. Also i would look further into the thermal properties of the panel last time i checked the panel itself only gave u a thermal rating of 1.8 or around that mark. which is ok but there are similar but better materials out there for thermals Its easy for a Tradesmen to take your money. Its even easier to do somethings yourself Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 8Jun 06, 2013 5:39 pm cladding ur house is not a DIY project, thats why so many problems occur after, comapnies selling the product dont care weather you get a professional or not they just want to sell the product, most people get tilers to lay the tiles they have brought, same thing should apply weather buying bricks or hebel panels, i install hebel panels, if you do the job right the first time there wont be any problems. hebel panels are screwed onto battens which are screwed to the frame of the house, getting the battens all level and straigt from corner to corner is the main part of the whole job installing the hebel insnt. price varies depending on jobs, most times its $30 a sqr metre just to install thats supplying hebel and batten screws as well as caulking for joints. 0421414024 Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 9Jun 08, 2013 5:20 pm ecofriendlybuildings Hi guy's Brick vs Hebel I don't mean to change the subject but i was wondering if there was a reason that you where looking into brick and Hebel? There are many different types of light weight construction materials in the industry now. One of the greatest pros of these types of light weight construction is that home owners are able to install these products them selves therefore saving themselves quite a substantial amount of money. on average i know that by installing these materials yourself can potential save a client up to $35 a sqm. Where as in BradS position for example 8x7 by 3 meters high is roughly around 170 sqm of wall area, at $35 a sqm this could work out to be a saving of around the 5-6 thousand mark. This type of job will take around 3-4 days with 2 people. The overall job will look like Rendered hebel or Brick. The company i work for supply these types of materials in Sydney, and we try and convince people to install these materials themselves so that they have that saving. If you would like to know more about these product please feel free to pm me. I would be more then happy to go into more detail. Daniel, I would be interested to know more about those products. In fact I am discussing that in my thread, where I am looking for alternatives for bricks or hebel, if you could posts details of your products there, it would be fantastic. Cheers, John Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 10Jun 11, 2013 12:38 pm The garage is being built in Wilton, south of Sydney. It gets damn cold down here so knowing that it is good for cold conditions will also be something i will need to look at. With regard to why i questioned hebel, i was told it would be much cheaper than brick and render, and that was the only reason for my questioning the costs. I wouldnt for a minute think of rendering hebel itself as once its painted it would look somewhat rendered anyway from a distance and rendering over it would totally defeat what i am trying to achieve which is a cost saving. I have also been told that building a blue board garage would be an alternative but the estate has said in the past that the garage must be built of the same material as the house which is rendered brick. I am hoping that if i can show them that its thermally sound and will look just like the house once complete that they will approve it and let me build it with something other than brick Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 11Jun 11, 2013 1:40 pm brads, if you dont render it you will have so much problems, it will not stand the weather, chips will happen, it wont be waterproof if you just paint over it. you cant just paint the panels lol yea theres cost saving ways not cost dodging ways. render it yourself its not that hard. Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 12Jun 11, 2013 1:58 pm There is no way in hell i would even contemplate tackling a build like this, or a part of it, as i simply dont have the knowledge or the time to do it. So let me get this out there, hebel01 is telling me it has to be rendered so that it will be weather resistant etc, yet ecofriendlybuildings is telling me that rendering it would not be a good idea as the hebel has joins in it which could create cracks in the render which i believe would be the case as render isnt really that flexible...... just conflicting stories that arent necesarily wrong, just adds weight to why people like myself get confused on what products do what thats all Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 14Jun 11, 2013 9:40 pm Tony, i know what you mean, but my house shouldnt move either but it has and i have had a couple of small cracks in the render from the house settling. I would imagine, and hope like hell, that the cracks shouldnt be an issue once everything has settled properly Re: Hebel v's Brick - price 15Jun 12, 2013 3:03 pm trust me brad you have to render it, atm im doing a 3 year project .. a retierment place with 300 small houses every single one gets rendered. porter davis homes use hebel on some of their build and they render it, so does metr-icon simions homes calise homes catger grange and so on, i dont understand why they would tell you not to render it. yes yhe house does move thats why between 7 panels their should be a control joint and battens from behind where the control joint is must be cut at well ( so its completly seprate from the other panels but still attached to the walls). if the panels are glues and fixed properly you shouldnt get cracks. go get a panel of hebel and just pour water on it look at how it would just suck it right up, once its rederd and painted, water will just slide right off. price for redering hebel isnt more then $30 per mtr This is 100% true. You can not hang anything on steel frames. very frustrating 8 10008 Hi Kristy Around $1.7-1.8m or around $4,600/sqm. if you PM me your email I will send you a break up in a spreadsheet so you can get an understanding of the costs for… 1 12798 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6592 |