Are you a registered cabler ? If not no
Will it stop you is another thing.
Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation Re: Data Cabling and You 41Jan 19, 2011 11:53 am mrbean_phillip Anyway, to make a long story short - am I allowed to do my own Smart wiring? Are you a registered cabler ? If not no Will it stop you is another thing. Re: Data Cabling and You 42Jan 19, 2011 12:03 pm Casa2 So please cablers, use carrots to entice people to use your business not sticks. Unfortunately cablers don't make the laws they just abide by them so direct your indignation to the law makers. Re: Data Cabling and You 43Jan 19, 2011 4:17 pm Casa2 So please cablers, use carrots to entice people to use your business not sticks. describe a method on how one could do this?? other then the massive ammounts of help we already do around here ? maybe we should start not replying to threads?> or emailing out bills for advice ? Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 44Jan 19, 2011 4:25 pm Chuq mrbean_phillip Hello Guys, I guess some may know me from OCAU (mrbean_phillip and mrbean elsewhere). Just a bit of history on myself: I am the Technical Manager [url=http://www.metso.com/Automation/ip_prod.nsf/WebWID/WTB-070110-2256F-21D48?OpenDocument]Metso Automation (Process Automation Systems) in Australia, we build all these Paper Machines, like Visy/Australian Paper/Norske Skog, CHH, et al - but on a global scale. As the Tecnical manager, I do design and very often implement very large automation networks, we're talking RSTP up to around 30-40 Cisco or HP switches, and in smaller networks, Moxa Turboring desings. I am also an internationally certified Profibus design- and installation engineer. Anyway, to make a long story short - am I allowed to do my own Smart wiring? Especially seeing that, with my new block in Eliot Ave, Laurimar, there is an optica connection that will come into my property - so the old story about an electrical connection to telstra network is not vaid anymore - the electrical->optic transceivers are also optic isolators.... Pugs? Your feeling? It is just that I will do a better job at this than most out there, at significantly reduced cost, and I have a decent 1841 cisco Router, as well as a 48-port Cisco switch ready Look forward to any comments. Hi mrbean, While the fact that external network connections are moving to optical makes sense, I think the reasoning for the cabling laws are so that, eg. someone doesn't drill through a wall, into an electrical cable and a data cable, or similar. Having said that, I'm aware the laws apply to phone/data cabling, but what about speaker cabling, AV cabling? Pugs may know! [Edit: Just noticed my own post further up this page (from November) totally contradicts this one! Who knows....] Sorry only spotted this now Phone/ data cabling can only be done by someone who is licenced to do so or is [b]Being actively supervised by an Open Caber. ie the cabler must be on site and direclty supervising you not doing power cabling or what ever else where on site and has to sign the TAC 1 form to ensure it is legal. that being said what may take me 4-6 hours by myself may end up being alot longer while having to constantly supervise someone and may as well do the job myself .. TV, HT and ither low voltage cabling can be DIY. that being said there are sytems that interconnect with stuctured cabling sysytems then it falls back to a Cabler FTTH situsations are still a carrier connection and you still need to be a cabler to run the cables that connect to it (directly or indirectly) think of the FTTH ONT as the Telstra NTD Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 45Jan 19, 2011 6:08 pm I'll add some more stuff later that I have remebered just then, hopefully I won't have forgoten it Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 46Jan 19, 2011 6:19 pm Thanx Pugs, appreciate your feedback, Mate Once my pozzie is done, and you're ever in the vincinity of The Maples, Laurimar, pop over for a beer! Or 3...hehe Re: Data Cabling and You 47Jan 19, 2011 9:59 pm Lungy Casa2 So please cablers, use carrots to entice people to use your business not sticks. Unfortunately cablers don't make the laws they just abide by them so direct your indignation to the law makers. Look a few posts back on this thread and you'll see that you can do data cable in your own home. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Data Cabling and You 48Jan 19, 2011 11:19 pm Tel: 03 9963 6800 Fax: 03 9963 6899 What a great thread, so much conflicting information because of interpretation. Above is the number of the ACMA Melbourne office for those people who want to know the cabling regulations. Re: Data Cabling and You 49Jan 20, 2011 2:02 am Casa2 Look a few posts back on this thread and you'll see that you can do data cable in your own home. Did you change the law did you well done. The ACMA make it pretty clear what you can and cannot do here. http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1685 People can make up their own minds on what they want to do with the info from the regulator or they can just use your vibe of things I suppose ,end of the day they will do what they feel comfortable with. By the way why don't you give the ACMA a call and run it past them and let us know the result will you. Re: Data Cabling and You 50Jan 20, 2011 8:45 am I have just send an email to ACMA asking the question about whether I can do the data cabling in my house. I will share the response when I get it. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Data Cabling and You 51Jan 20, 2011 10:21 am I'm guessing the other guys meant it rhetorically when they said "why don't you ask them"... ie. they already know the answer! Built 3br house in Glenorchy, Tas in 2001 * * * Built 5br courtyard house in Lenah Valley, Tas in 2011 - Homeone thread / Blog Re: Data Cabling and You 52Jan 20, 2011 12:46 pm Quote: describe a method on how one could do this?? other then the massive ammounts of help we already do around here ? @ Pugs and others: I think the community should realise (and very much appreciate) the help professionals provide on Forums like these, not just on the topic of Home Automation, but in various fields. If people like yourself, which really are the cornerstones of Forum societies, we will be off for the worse. By all means, please don't allow one or two discontents/disillusionists/et al spoil the fun for everyone, and please keep contributing, so that others can learn from the Pros. Respek from my side, and a big thanx to people such as yourself. ps to the spell-police: I know how to spell Respect and thanks, btw Re: Data Cabling and You 53Jan 21, 2011 8:13 am Firstly, let me say, like mrbean_phillip, that I also appreciate the effort pugs and other registered cablers put into these forums. The information is useful. I’m all for people using registered cablers for the same reason that they use carpenters – experienced people can do it better. I’m also for those householders with the interest, time and desire to do their own data cabling (or any other wiring except 240V wiring). The reply from ACMA to the question about whether I can do the data cabling in my house, is as follows: “No you cannot do this unless you are a registered cabler or do so under the direct supervision of a registered cabler. Concealed data cabling (in the walls and ceiling or under the floorboards) is all deemed to be telecommunications customer cabling and must be installed in accord with the wiring rules by a registered cabler.” Not the answer I wanted to hear, but there it is. In my travels yesterday, I can tell that this topic is a passionate one. There's a forum on whirlpool on this subject that has been going for two years and is 51 pages long! http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... ?t=1154765. I read through a bit of it yesterday and, although I may not have remembered the details exactly, here’s some of the general info I learnt. 1) Things are likely to change. 2) ACMA are pushing to have all concealed cabling (including TV antennas, speaker wire, etc) only being able to be done by registered cablers. 3) Australia appears to be the only country in the world that does not allow homeowners to do their own data wiring. For example, New Zealand had similar restriction to Australia, but these were removed about 3 years ago. 4) Once fiber to the home becomes popular, these may be exempt from the need for registered cablers, since there is no chance of dangerous voltages getting out on the telephone network. 5) It is a passionately debated topic. 6) Things are likely to change. Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Data Cabling and You 54Jan 21, 2011 9:28 am Casa2 Firstly, let me say, like mrbean_phillip, that I also appreciate the effort pugs and other registered cablers put into these forums. The information is useful. I’m all for people using registered cablers for the same reason that they use carpenters – experienced people can do it better. I’m also for those householders with the interest, time and desire to do their own data cabling (or any other wiring except 240V wiring). The reply from ACMA to the question about whether I can do the data cabling in my house, is as follows: “No you cannot do this unless you are a registered cabler or do so under the direct supervision of a registered cabler. Concealed data cabling (in the walls and ceiling or under the floorboards) is all deemed to be telecommunications customer cabling and must be installed in accord with the wiring rules by a registered cabler.” Not the answer I wanted to hear, but there it is. In my travels yesterday, I can tell that this topic is a passionate one. There's a forum on whirlpool on this subject that has been going for two years and is 51 pages long! http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... ?t=1154765. I read through a bit of it yesterday and, although I may not have remembered the details exactly, here’s some of the general info I learnt. 1) Things are likely to change. 2) ACMA are pushing to have all concealed cabling (including TV antennas, speaker wire, etc) only being able to be done by registered cablers. 3) Australia appears to be the only country in the world that does not allow homeowners to do their own data wiring. For example, New Zealand had similar restriction to Australia, but these were removed about 3 years ago. 4) Once fiber to the home becomes popular, these may be exempt from the need for registered cablers, since there is no chance of dangerous voltages getting out on the telephone network. 5) It is a passionately debated topic. 6) Things are likely to change. Cheers, Casa *Vindicated..... and to do with FTTH. things won't chnage for DIYers.. Opticomm are having enough problems with buildiers stuffing it up let alone the DIYers having a crack Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 55Jan 21, 2011 10:25 am Casa2 In my travels yesterday, I can tell that this topic is a passionate one. There's a forum on whirlpool on this subject that has been going for two years and is 51 pages long! http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... ?t=1154765. I read through a bit of it yesterday and, although I may not have remembered the details exactly, here’s some of the general info I learnt. 1) Things are likely to change. 2) ACMA are pushing to have all concealed cabling (including TV antennas, speaker wire, etc) only being able to be done by registered cablers. 3) Australia appears to be the only country in the world that does not allow homeowners to do their own data wiring. For example, New Zealand had similar restriction to Australia, but these were removed about 3 years ago. 4) Once fiber to the home becomes popular, these may be exempt from the need for registered cablers, since there is no chance of dangerous voltages getting out on the telephone network. 5) It is a passionately debated topic. 6) Things are likely to change. Cheers, Casa Hi, just registered today. I can understand why people (cable/Foxtel/sparky etc) want to be protected for future work done in a home if someone has cabled incorrectly near power. I’m curious though how far they will go to stop people doing their own work. Is it better to educate then restrict? Isn’t it safer to have people cable a house the first time when everything is exposed and people don’t have to *guess* what is in the walls of the house. I’m in the process of planning to build; I’d love to have it done by someone professionally. But how expensive it is to run to just run a few cables in a house? I work in the Telephony/PABX side of IT so I can do a lot of patching work easily. Andrew Last update. 26/8/11 Roof & Bricks (page 7) Follow our build: The Noodle Family - Preston in the Hills Re: Data Cabling and You 56Jan 21, 2011 10:30 am Pugs *Vindicated..... and to do with FTTH. things won't chnage for DIYers.. Opticomm are having enough problems with buildiers stuffing it up let alone the DIYers having a crack DIYers having a crack? most data guys have those too Andrew Last update. 26/8/11 Roof & Bricks (page 7) Follow our build: The Noodle Family - Preston in the Hills Re: Data Cabling and You 57Jan 21, 2011 11:33 am MaggiNoodles I work in the Telephony/PABX side of IT so I can do a lot of patching work easily. So it wouldn't be much of a stretch for you to get your registration fairly easily then with recognition of prior learning and on the job hours being completed would it ? Re: Data Cabling and You 58Jan 21, 2011 11:40 am MaggiNoodles Pugs *Vindicated..... and to do with FTTH. things won't chnage for DIYers.. Opticomm are having enough problems with buildiers stuffing it up let alone the DIYers having a crack DIYers having a crack? most data guys have those too ex roadies crack here Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 59Jan 21, 2011 2:44 pm It looks like many peopel would like ot do thier own data cabling, however the regulators are concerned that dangerous voltages could be presented on the telecommunications network. Why not have a half day course that trains people in the safety aspects of installing data cables. There would be a test at the end and if you understand how to do the job safely, then you're authorised to do data cabling. Everyone's happy. Note, this course would only cover the safety aspects. The how to do it would be like any other job we do around the house - lots of reading and doing it slowly. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Data Cabling and You 60Jan 21, 2011 3:29 pm Casa2 It looks like many peopel would like ot do thier own data cabling, however the regulators are concerned that dangerous voltages could be presented on the telecommunications network. Why not have a half day course that trains people in the safety aspects of installing data cables. There would be a test at the end and if you understand how to do the job safely, then you're authorised to do data cabling. Why not do the courses that are available now? Mine took five days and included theory, safety, installation and testing of the cabling. Do a search on "cabling installation courses" and this will point you in the direction. 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