less than 250 sqm land = 90 %
good to know it excludes alfresco and porch
Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 321Nov 05, 2017 8:59 am Tolgz Floor space ratio Maxium is 250m2 to 300m2 block is 85% of land size. 300m2 to 450m2 is 270m2 and 450m2+ is 330m2. Floor space ratio includes the garage but excludes alfresco and porch. For secondsry building eg fonzi or granny flat land under 300m2 can only do maximuim 36m2 land 300-450m2 is 45m2 and land above 450m2 is the full 60m2. Site coverage is 200-250m2 is 65% of land 250-300m2 is 60% of land 300-450m2 is 55% and 450m2+ is 50% of land. Land cost has gone up with each release for example i bought june last year 488m2 for 538k which is $1100 a sqm you wont be able to find a block for that anymore. The smaller the block size the higher the price per sqm will be. As for the slab i have no idea yet as i dont no of anyone that has gone that far with the build. Hope all this helps less than 250 sqm land = 90 % good to know it excludes alfresco and porch Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 322Nov 05, 2017 9:02 am Ill just add with the dual occupancy most people didnt realise when buying the smaller blocks eg around the 250-280sqm mark and below is if you bought a 250sqm block which has a max floor space ratio of 212sqm and you do a fonzie and double garage there goes 36sqm for the fonzie and 36sqm for the garage, your left with 140sqm which isnt very big when you think about it. 3 bed apartments are approx 100-110sqm internal to put it into context. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 323Nov 05, 2017 9:43 am Tolgz Ill just add with the dual occupancy most people didnt realise when buying the smaller blocks eg around the 250-280sqm mark and below is if you bought a 250sqm block which has a max floor space ratio of 212sqm and you do a fonzie and double garage there goes 36sqm for the fonzie and 36sqm for the garage, your left with 140sqm which isnt very big when you think about it. 3 bed apartments are approx 100-110sqm internal to put it into context. Not sure why people wants to make dual occupancy when living further from City. When I move further from City, I want to live comfortable and big house. Not back to smaller house. I understand that many people wants to have a rental income from dual occupancy, but, what happen if everyone in newbreeze making dual occupancy ? will the smaller house price will be higher in the future ? Will your smaller house will be easier to sell after ? (imagine, new breeze is approx. 40-45km from city. People who work in the city, wouldnt go to Southwest to get smaller house.) Anyway, thats my opinion. Building Wentworth 33 CDC lodged to Council : 22 June 2018 Site excavation 31 July 2018 Slab 08 Aug 2018 Frame 22 Aug 2018 Roof 10 Sep 2018 Brick 24 Sep 2018 Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 324Nov 05, 2017 11:31 am wentworth33 Tolgz Ill just add with the dual occupancy most people didnt realise when buying the smaller blocks eg around the 250-280sqm mark and below is Not sure why people wants to make dual occupancy when living further from City. When I move further from City, I want to live comfortable and big house. Not back to smaller house. I understand that many people wants to have a rental income from dual occupancy, but, what happen if everyone in newbreeze making dual occupancy ? will the smaller house price will be higher in the future ? Will your smaller house will be easier to sell after ? (imagine, new breeze is approx. 40-45km from city. People who work in the city, wouldnt go to Southwest to get smaller house.) Anyway, thats my opinion. i have different opinions. 1. council is allowing dual living. people tend to take all the opportunities considering the cost they are paying living in sydney 2. new breeze estate is building terraces, town houses , houses with fonzie and sell those anyways 3. realestate investors are using this opportunites to make higher profit for sure. 4. significat lands are small in size, dual living permitted, terraces , townhouses.. these will make look the place a chaos. now if i wanna buy 1000 sqm land ( no offence to any one) and make farm house. would it fit in this chaos? how many entries would the estate have? if i were to make farm house, i would prefer to go 5 km further and buy something where everyone has same mind set. personally i don't wanna make dual living if i know for sure next door neighbor is not gonna make dual living 5. when the airport will be functional, this is gonna be very bz places. look at mascot and surrounding areas 6. on top of the town center there will be heaps of apartments. the density of the population will be higher anyway compare to surrounding suburbs regardless a individual makes or doesn't make dual living 7. by train its 50 mins to city. it's very much reasonable to lot of people . 8. closer to station school and shopping center always give an additional value to property. i stongly believe property market is related with income level. with 100 k family income you can do 700k property. Rent is correlated too. let's say 1000 sqm land is going to be valued 5 million dollar in 2050. it's on the paper. the property can't be sold at that value as people wouldnt have that amount of money by working full time in sydney. those who can, will buy a mansion in double bay. my point, realistically property to be valued based on how much a family can afford to pay as rent/ repayment correlated with income all in all, every people thinks different. it's very good to discuss all prospects and live without hating each other :p Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 325Nov 05, 2017 11:35 am Tolgz Ill just add with the dual occupancy most people didnt realise when buying the smaller blocks eg around the 250-280sqm mark and below is if you bought a 250sqm block which has a max floor space ratio of 212sqm and you do a fonzie and double garage there goes 36sqm for the fonzie and 36sqm for the garage, your left with 140sqm which isnt very big when you think about it. 3 bed apartments are approx 100-110sqm internal to put it into context. hi what if double garage is compromised to single and studio / fonzie is compromised to smaller size. that would make the main house bigger? let's say 180 sqm + alfresco and porch. don't you think 4 bed house will fit? PS: instead of house we can call this as mini apartment :p Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 326Nov 05, 2017 11:40 am wentworth33 The target is end of Nov 2017. They will not notify us. You will need to call-in to get the update or wait and Your solicitor will be the one who notify you when its ready and you have 2 weeks (i think) to settle it. But.. fyi, I just been there last saturday and I can see that they are on track. Only need to asphalt the Malaya street and get the remaining lot 105 (behind the park) to be ready. Hi Wentworth33, it looks like we're going to be the neighbors - mine is Lot 5018 (481sqm, corner lot) scheduled for registration late 2017. Is there any update from Dahua or if we're on track for completion by this date? I've not organised the finance yet and not even looking into builders (not sure about whether I can have granny flat as a lot of people are discussing about it) as I visited the area two months back and looking at the progress I thought it might be pushed back to Jan/Feb 18. Would appreciate your insights. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 327Nov 05, 2017 12:10 pm You can make a single garage instead of double but then who is going to rent out a 25sqm fonzie do you know how small that will be? Its impractical you can't fit shower, laundry kitchenette and sleeping/lounge in 25sqm Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 328Nov 05, 2017 12:11 pm laxmy wentworth33 The target is end of Nov 2017. They will not notify us. You will need to call-in to get the update or wait and Your solicitor will be the one who notify you when its ready and you have 2 weeks (i think) to settle it. But.. fyi, I just been there last saturday and I can see that they are on track. Only need to asphalt the Malaya street and get the remaining lot 105 (behind the park) to be ready. Hi Wentworth33, it looks like we're going to be the neighbors - mine is Lot 5018 (481sqm, corner lot) scheduled for registration late 2017. Is there any update from Dahua or if we're on track for completion by this date? I've not organised the finance yet and not even looking into builders (not sure about whether I can have granny flat as a lot of people are discussing about it) as I visited the area two months back and looking at the progress I thought it might be pushed back to Jan/Feb 18. Would appreciate your insights. I havent receive any update from Dahua yet, but it seems to be on schedule for mid december settlement. Its best for you to start your finance now. Regardless when the land settled, you wont be able to start building as all builders on leave till end of January 2018. But, I do urged you to start look into builders now, as it takes approx. 3-4 months to finalise everything. Building Wentworth 33 CDC lodged to Council : 22 June 2018 Site excavation 31 July 2018 Slab 08 Aug 2018 Frame 22 Aug 2018 Roof 10 Sep 2018 Brick 24 Sep 2018 Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 329Nov 05, 2017 12:18 pm Tolgz Just got our tender back from a small custom builder. Over our budget unfortunately ☹️ When you add all your inclusions the price ballons fairly quickly. Like 100k quickly...... has anyone else got any tenders yet? adding about 100K is no surprising. It also can go up to 150K. The way that most builders do are to provide the quote as cheap as possible with very basic inclusions. (e.g. laminate benchtop). When you choose to upgrade, following are sample calculation of how they do it on laminate benchtop to Marble benchtop. 1. Remove the laminate benchtop cost $$$$ 2. Refund / credit laminate benchtop (excluding labour and mark-up cost) cost - (minus) $$$ 3. Calculate cost of standard stone including mark-up cost .. cost $$$ 4. Calculate labour cost to install standard stone including mark-up cost.. cost $$$ 5. Refund the cost of standard stone (excluding labour and mark-up cost).. cost -(minus) $$$ 6. Calculate cost of marble stone. including mark-up cost. cost $$$ 7. Calculate labour cost to install marble stone. including mark-up cost. cost $$$ See how much is the mark-up ? So, it is not surprising to have additional 100K - 200K for inclusion upgrade. My friend have added about $200K upgrade. Building Wentworth 33 CDC lodged to Council : 22 June 2018 Site excavation 31 July 2018 Slab 08 Aug 2018 Frame 22 Aug 2018 Roof 10 Sep 2018 Brick 24 Sep 2018 Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 331Nov 05, 2017 12:52 pm Tolgz The LED downlights are expensive $125 each and i need approx 70 of them The cost are differ per-builder. FYI, For LED Downlights, check the brand, lumens, beam angle and Watts. The brightness of the room depend on the lumens and the beam angle and number of downlights per-room. The smaller angle required more LED to make the room brighter. Building Wentworth 33 CDC lodged to Council : 22 June 2018 Site excavation 31 July 2018 Slab 08 Aug 2018 Frame 22 Aug 2018 Roof 10 Sep 2018 Brick 24 Sep 2018 Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 332Nov 05, 2017 1:09 pm wentworth33 Tolgz Just got our tender back from a small custom builder. Over our budget unfortunately ☹️ When you add all your inclusions the price ballons fairly quickly. Like 100k quickly...... has anyone else got any tenders yet? adding about 100K is no surprising. It also can go up to 150K. The way that most builders do are to provide the quote as cheap as possible with very basic inclusions. (e.g. laminate benchtop). When you choose to upgrade, following are sample calculation of how they do it on laminate benchtop to Marble benchtop. 1. Remove the laminate benchtop cost $$$$ 2. Refund / credit laminate benchtop (excluding labour and mark-up cost) cost - (minus) $$$ 3. Calculate cost of standard stone including mark-up cost .. cost $$$ 4. Calculate labour cost to install standard stone including mark-up cost.. cost $$$ 5. Refund the cost of standard stone (excluding labour and mark-up cost).. cost -(minus) $$$ 6. Calculate cost of marble stone. including mark-up cost. cost $$$ 7. Calculate labour cost to install marble stone. including mark-up cost. cost $$$ See how much is the mark-up ? So, it is not surprising to have additional 100K - 200K for inclusion upgrade. My friend have added about $200K upgrade. lol. i am scared Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 333Nov 05, 2017 1:12 pm Tolgz You can make a single garage instead of double but then who is going to rent out a 25sqm fonzie do you know how small that will be? Its impractical you can't fit shower, laundry kitchenette and sleeping/lounge in 25sqm yeah that's a challenging part, i have no knowledge in building or contructions. for the sake of discussion, how it will look let's say 4 ×3 = 12 sqm room, 4.5 sqm complete toilet, and the rest includes kitchen and living? just a thought Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 334Nov 05, 2017 3:26 pm Tolgz Floor space ratio Maxium is 250m2 to 300m2 block is 85% of land size. 300m2 to 450m2 is 270m2 and 450m2+ is 330m2. Floor space ratio includes the garage but excludes alfresco and porch. For secondsry building eg fonzi or granny flat land under 300m2 can only do maximuim 36m2 land 300-450m2 is 45m2 and land above 450m2 is the full 60m2. Site coverage is 200-250m2 is 65% of land 250-300m2 is 60% of land 300-450m2 is 55% and 450m2+ is 50% of land. Land cost has gone up with each release for example i bought june last year 488m2 for 538k which is $1100 a sqm you wont be able to find a block for that anymore. The smaller the block size the higher the price per sqm will be. As for the slab i have no idea yet as i dont no of anyone that has gone that far with the build. Hope all this helps Do you know what the front and rear set backs are?(also rear set back for first floor) Typically Campbelltown Council has a 55% floor space ration, so on 600sqm that wouldn't be limited to 330sqm. Have I understood correctly? Thanks again. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 335Nov 05, 2017 3:29 pm GLO Tolgz Floor space ratio Maxium is 250m2 to 300m2 block is 85% of land size. 300m2 to 450m2 is 270m2 and 450m2+ is 330m2. Floor space ratio includes the garage but excludes alfresco and porch. For secondsry building eg fonzi or granny flat land under 300m2 can only do maximuim 36m2 land 300-450m2 is 45m2 and land above 450m2 is the full 60m2. Site coverage is 200-250m2 is 65% of land 250-300m2 is 60% of land 300-450m2 is 55% and 450m2+ is 50% of land. Land cost has gone up with each release for example i bought june last year 488m2 for 538k which is $1100 a sqm you wont be able to find a block for that anymore. The smaller the block size the higher the price per sqm will be. As for the slab i have no idea yet as i dont no of anyone that has gone that far with the build. Hope all this helps Do you know what the front and rear set backs are?(also rear set back for first floor) Typically Campbelltown Council has a 55% floor space ration, so on 600sqm that wouldn't be limited to 330sqm. Have I understood correctly? Thanks again. [/quote for smaller block, 1-3 m front setbacks subject to council approval. all around 1 m. you can use zero lot as well if you are eligible Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 336Nov 05, 2017 7:35 pm No its 330sqm maxium for FSR. Front set backs are different for small lots i thnks its 3m ( not positive on this but) for normal its 3.5m articulation which can be the front porch and 4.5m from the building it self. Rear setbacks is a little more complicated corner block is different to normal dual street ie front and back. From what i can tell you can go as close as half a meter to rear setback. My architect has done exactly that and he is positive it will pass threw cdc. All this info is found in the Edmondson park south development plan. Just google it Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 337Nov 05, 2017 7:38 pm Thats half a meter only for the garage the rest of the granny flat is 3m rear setback if you understand and its only single story, mine is a corner block. With normal dual street i think you can go half a meter with the fonzie which is good because you get to maximise your land For reference, this is the Austlii reference. 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