Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Framing inspection 21Feb 16, 2022 9:03 am Are we going to have discussion are we, have you ever been to vcat and seen with your own eyes the amount of builders been taken to vcat, i have and the amount of people suffering due to waffle slabs of what i know to date is around 10k homes this was out on the news in 2015 when the Mertricon v Softleys family vcat case come out, ok you may have a hand full of builders doing the right thing unfortunately it reflex on them as well as they don't stand up for what is right. I am not getting into a slogging arguments with anyone over this I have been hurting for 6 years and the builder still decides to take shortcuts go figure. End of my rant. Thank you. Re: Framing inspection 22Feb 16, 2022 10:35 am Ashington Homes Beetroot_Juice When should the framing inspectoin happen? The builder has invoice me and my undrestanding that the framing is a critical stage ( hold point) and has to be inspected before the external cladding and roof was build. The builder however insist framing inspection won't happen untill roof and brickwork is completed and engineers framing certificate will be available later during the construction. What if there are defects in the frame, structural load points, tie downs, quality, bracing, layout etc.... Beetroot Just too close this topic out, yesterday I double checked with another certifier we use and he confirmed that most certifiers want to see these frames loaded before inspection. I personally think this is a flawed way to do it, a quick example was in 2015 I was on a job site and the plumbers had used a hammer to smash a massive hole through the bracing ply to run their services. Brickwork was already completed so the only way to fix it was to install new bracing ply on the inside and then pack out the gyprock. This is a complete pain of a process so my guess is if a supervisor saw this on a project home site it would be quickly covered over and not rectified. Perhaps this might go someway to explain how flawed many of the new builds are. Let me know if you want a copy of AS1680 ( the timber framing code) so you can educate yourself and do your own inspection. EDIT: So I double checked the wording that they issue in NSW with the approvals which describes every mandatory inspection stage and for framing it says "Structural timber roof, walls and framing inspection prior to lining the roof, walls and floor". so there you go. Cheers Simeon Thank you for looking it up.. I do have a copy of the AS1680 which I referred to when I issued defects to the builder. Re: Framing inspection 23Feb 16, 2022 10:46 am like i said, #notallbuilders. No one is belittling your experience or those of 10's of thousand of others. The issue is real. But its not in the interests of builders to wholesale ignore regulations, standards and build in defects. While this does happen daily for various reasons, its the "how do we fix it" that is more relevant. Sadly many people building are not engaging aditional independent profesionals and/or are really bad add communicating with their builders. Ive build a number of homes, including one through the period of drought that then resulted in houses that had significant heave issues. One of my homes experienced moderate heave. And yes, that builder was $hit. They are still rectifying various aspects of that building many years after the build. Thank you 50 year structural guarantee. I dint have to go to VCAT because i took extensive records of the build and educated myself throughout the process. I've even had communications with Steve Lawler (the guy who wrote the CSIRO BTF document about paths and foundation care) to validate various discrepancies between what he wrote and what the NCC states. Everything I have was in writing and i have various undeniable proofs of their inadequacy of meeting the code at the time, including their justifications of not meeting the codes, which as you can imagine is a smoking gun should i ever need to go to VCAT. They know it, I know it, so they just shut up and keep up with dealing with various issues i have. They have made zero dollars from me. In the end, when i go to sell that house, it will look as new as the day it was handed over, after that, not my problem. What i can tell you though is that every subsequent house and builder have put exceptional changes in place to prevent the occurrence of these issues. Some more than others, and there are still various things that need to be kept an eye on. Currently building with boutique who have been exceptional in accepting defect reports, rectifying them and providing evidence of rectification, including having their engineers take a look at things, recirtify or re-engineer stuff for a fix. SO again, i say #notallbuilders. Communication is key. Knowing you $hit is key, being measured in your dealings etc. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Framing inspection 24Feb 16, 2022 10:58 am LOL, #Notallbuilders until they get caught out on site with defects Battlers and putters should learn how to read plans, inspect their builds and don't rely on fools/stooges with no Qualifications giving advice hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Framing inspection 25Feb 16, 2022 11:00 am StructuralBIMGuy LOL, #Notallbuilders until they get caught out on site with defects Battlers and putters should learn how to read plans, inspect their builds and don't rely on fools/stooges with no Qualifications giving advice hth Ah from the "engineer" that has trouble with basic maths. Solid gold mate, thanks for the laugh. Stick to making nonsensical doddles mate. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Framing inspection 26Feb 16, 2022 11:06 am Here #NoNameNoQualificationsNoCompliance LOL Go Dig up your stormwater pipes Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Framing inspection 27Feb 16, 2022 11:13 am Beetroot_Juice Ashington Homes Beetroot_Juice When should the framing inspectoin happen? The builder has invoice me and my undrestanding that the framing is a critical stage ( hold point) and has to be inspected before the external cladding and roof was build. The builder however insist framing inspection won't happen untill roof and brickwork is completed and engineers framing certificate will be available later during the construction. What if there are defects in the frame, structural load points, tie downs, quality, bracing, layout etc.... Beetroot Just too close this topic out, yesterday I double checked with another certifier we use and he confirmed that most certifiers want to see these frames loaded before inspection. I personally think this is a flawed way to do it, a quick example was in 2015 I was on a job site and the plumbers had used a hammer to smash a massive hole through the bracing ply to run their services. Brickwork was already completed so the only way to fix it was to install new bracing ply on the inside and then pack out the gyprock. This is a complete pain of a process so my guess is if a supervisor saw this on a project home site it would be quickly covered over and not rectified. Perhaps this might go someway to explain how flawed many of the new builds are. Let me know if you want a copy of AS1680 ( the timber framing code) so you can educate yourself and do your own inspection. EDIT: So I double checked the wording that they issue in NSW with the approvals which describes every mandatory inspection stage and for framing it says "Structural timber roof, walls and framing inspection prior to lining the roof, walls and floor". so there you go. Cheers Simeon Thank you for looking it up.. I do have a copy of the AS1680 which I referred to when I issued defects to the builder. if you need any help happy to look at your photos etc just give me a shout Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Framing inspection 28Feb 16, 2022 11:15 am StructuralBIMGuy Here #NoNameNoQualificationsNoCompliance LOL Go Dig up your stormwater pipes Why would I need to, got what I needed with photraphic evidence. You really need to work on your insults. They make about as nuch sense as you when ever you type. Move on, clown, lest I link the threads that really show how "smart" you are. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Framing inspection 29Feb 16, 2022 11:23 am And you have update the other photos to help others? Here Possible Plumbing Fail on new build? You're incapable of helping anyone Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Framing inspection 30Feb 16, 2022 11:43 am StructuralBIMGuy And you have update the other photos to help others? Here Possible Plumbing Fail on new build? Your incapable of helping anyone That thread is done nothing to add. perhaps we should talk about this one? Literal fruit loop territory viewtopic.php?f=2&t=103796&p=1899089&hilit=Metaverse%2C+Metahomes%2C+FB+banks+on+VR+Homes#p1899089 Here's the one where i prove you cant do simple maths after you tell me to "brush up" on MY maths .You literally get destroyed. "The investment return on a dilapidated house in an expensive area is <50c m2/week ..lol, thats probably why they are selling it" BAHAHAHAHA viewtopic.php?f=1&t=102752 Maybe this one where you cant get yourown story straight? viewtopic.php?p=1899743#p1899743 Or this one rofl viewtopic.php?f=31&t=103773&p=1898949#p1898949 Another comprehension one lol viewtopic.php?f=31&t=103588&p=1897997#p1897997 I have more. would you like to see them? HTH Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Framing inspection 31Feb 16, 2022 1:07 pm Look I am not interested in builders that may be are doing the right thing that fact you mentioned names tells me a lot, I could do the very same thing with the information i have on builder and engineers and slab designers, 6 years of my life has be taken away fighting these dam crap builder they all help each other out, even reports they do something to question about wish eventually what o have will because public very soon. If you had that much information on builders why don't you bring it out on the media so we the public know what is going on and who to trust the fact that volume builder target young families and immagrants in Victoria because they don't have the money to fight back, I was fortunate I worked hard all my life to be where I am today that does not mean I will let a builder off the hook, you have no idea the hurt people like me are going through stress nerves heartache and family suffering and builder keeps cutting corners, you'd think they learn a lesson by loosing the vcat case against do the right thing and fix it. No no that's not the case they keep trying to cut corners this time I will use what I have and it will shake up the building industry. Metricon v Softleys family even loosing at vcat they had the cheek to appeal the case to the county court, again to be told no buldoze and rebuild, no for them to go back years of new homes they built to rectify every one of them I don't remember if it was on the appeals court judge telling them to fix them or otherwise, but they learned the hard way there is also Metricon v Mr Hooper v at case in metricon v Softleys family vcat had a expert witness that is the chairman of the AS2870 he basicly came clean by stating they relaxed the codes to keep new home prices down but stated they always knew new homes would fail. On top of tbis you have the volume builders jump on board say beauty let's cash in by cot cutting even more. I am saying this because I do have the evidance I will use soon as I talk today or this week to our legal team, this time I am not holding I will be throughing punches really hard it's going to hurt. I am so tired of some people defending builders one way or the other they all do they same crap and get away with it, small builder my brother bought a 2 year old town house it's heaving so much at the front that the 2nd floor is actually leaning backwards, but the builder knows he cannot afford to fight him at vcat so his not caring one bit about fixing the problems. In 2016 a new law was passed that if you had a house with slab heave or any structural problems you must declare on the section32 when selling a house the 30 and 50 year structural warranties in Victoria it's 10 years regardless as I found out i thought I had 30 years lucky for us we started procidings 3 weeks before the 10 years where up we were told by our barrister lucky we got into vcat now had you waited few more weeks you could not do anything about it, I replied but we have 30 years structural warranties he said nope law is 10 years, even today I know of a large case at vcat now the poor guy thought he had 30 years to find from his lawyer no you have 4 day to put your claim into vcat or your done, so who do you belive? I am not going to reply to any more crap if you have not been throught. Not all builders are the same but they all do the same thing till they get caught out, don't say it's not true because I parted ways with a old friend who is a builder even though his not as bad as large volume builder he still follows the rest, his answer was if I can get away with I'll do it like every other builder. Cost of loosing a case for a builder is all put aside if they build 1000 homes a years loose 2 case it's worth there money every cent is calculated when tnese case come up I know that it's a fact, don't ask me to prove it because I cannot it will affect my own case. Enough is enough. I am done. Thank you. Re: Framing inspection 32Feb 16, 2022 1:21 pm I think youve misread most of what i wrote. 1 builder/1 experience terrible. Hardly news worthy. Rest of the builders - exponential ramp in improvement. My experience is different to yours. You tar every builder with the same brush, though you've had explicit experience with only one. I didn't read the whole post as the wall of text rambling is hard to follow. I get the feeling that is the type of communications you had regularly throughout this ordeal and i cant imagine it would have helped your position at all. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Framing inspection 33Mar 10, 2022 11:22 am Beetroot_Juice When should the framing inspectoin happen? The builder has invoice me and my undrestanding that the framing is a critical stage ( hold point) and has to be inspected before the external cladding and roof was build. The builder however insist framing inspection won't happen untill roof and brickwork is completed and engineers framing certificate will be available later during the construction. What if there are defects in the frame, structural load points, tie downs, quality, bracing, layout etc.... Hi beetroot_Juice Inspections are done by the Certifier at critical stages. If you’re in NSW, you can refer to the Environmental Planning and Assessment Regulation. However, for the purposes of your contract, and for your peace of mind as to quality, you can request inspections at any time, but most particularly, when the builder claims that a stage of work has been completed, and is requesting for payment. And inspecting the frames seems sensible to me, but I’m not a building expert, I’m just a construction lawyer. Cheers John Get sound legal advice. We manage Building Disputes, Construction Contracts, Security of Payment. PM for queries. https://www.contractsspecialist.com.au/articles/ STEFF62 Framing should be fine, but he will only be able to nail the baseplates in, I wouldnt think you can dynabolt them after 24 hours. 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