Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 2May 07, 2009 9:48 am Building Upside down house in Wantirna VIC Current Stage: Procrastination... it's just all too hard.... Blog: http://thereluctantbuilder.blogspot.com/ Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 4May 07, 2009 7:44 pm Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 8May 08, 2009 7:01 pm Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 10May 08, 2009 8:11 pm windowexpert You designed your windows with 12mm gaps as standard because of the ASHRAE graph?? You must be kidding yourself Just to be clear - YES I did... it's a hoot isn't it... windowexpert You truly believe ASHRAE is more credible than DIN EN 674, the European window industry, IFT, Fraunhofer Institute or the Swiss Instutute of Glas (see attachment) Yes I do... If it's not European it's no good in your book, so what is your problem with races other than European? Do you think the Swiss or Germans or Austrians are somehow superior beings to USA (and China I recollect)? The population of the USA closely matches that of Northern & Western Europe (where you draw your information) - (China's is larger than both put together by a factor of 2). The USA (& China) have lots of quite clever chappies (and chappesses ) you know... (as does Australia and NZ). Standards? Standards are just that, not necessarily right, just standards. But the data supplied by ASHRAE, that's different. It is empirical data, laboratory measured by a world renowned authority (just ask Dr Peter Lyons). Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 11May 08, 2009 8:55 pm The movement to highly energy efficient building methods has started in USA and China. The Australiens were the first to use double glazing and you have invented the double glazed PVC window 40 yars ago. Your system has been installed in millions of applications around the world and you are the ONE Why don't you teach those dumm Europeans who used single glazing until less than ten years ago?? Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 13May 08, 2009 11:23 pm kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Disappointing you think it's a competition... I thought I won ages ago If windowexpert - or anyone - presents misinformation (as I see it) I will present the facts (as I see them). Is that not reasonable? I try to remain unbiased... maybe I fail. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 14May 09, 2009 12:12 am kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Actually I think the sexual tension is palpable... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 15May 09, 2009 6:25 am ed @ EcoClassic kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Disappointing you think it's a competition... I thought I won ages ago If windowexpert - or anyone - presents misinformation (as I see it) I will present the facts (as I see them). Is that not reasonable? I try to remain unbiased... maybe I fail. Ed You are never unbiased, you bend everything around to suit your products whether it is outside beads or spacer of IGU,s I don't need to do that because I can do the glazing either way and I can use any size spacer, plus I have no commercial interest here. I don't claim to have reinvented the window, I am the boring guy who uses long term proven systems, but it is in the clients interests to be assured that their window have stood the test of time in a variety of climates and conditions. I understand that the expertise of Rehau, Kommerling, VEKA and so on is nothing compared to your multinational operation with own labs and multimillion dollar development budgets. You win with the opinion of one institution against many others and you base your product on this, gosh you are so incredible smart I won't waste my time anymore for discussions with you. Now you are free to spread your true gospel and nobody will question your statements anymore Those who think you are the one who knows it all should do as you say . And others who want some straight talk without commercial interest are welcome to send a PM as they have done in the past Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 16May 09, 2009 8:23 am windowexpert ed @ EcoClassic kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Disappointing you think it's a competition... I thought I won ages ago If windowexpert - or anyone - presents misinformation (as I see it) I will present the facts (as I see them). Is that not reasonable? I try to remain unbiased... maybe I fail. Ed You are never unbiased, you bend everything around to suit your products whether it is outside beads or spacer of IGU,s I don't need to do that because I can do the glazing either way and I can use any size spacer, plus I have no commercial interest here. I don't claim to have reinvented the window, I am the boring guy who uses long term proven systems, but it is in the clients interests to be assured that their window have stood the test of time in a variety of climates and conditions. I understand that the expertise of Rehau, Kommerling, VEKA and so on is nothing compared to your multinational operation with own labs and multimillion dollar development budgets. You win with the opinion of one institution against many others and you base your product on this, gosh you are so incredible smart I won't waste my time anymore for discussions with you. Now you are free to spread your true gospel and nobody will question your statements anymore Those who think you are the one who knows it all should do as you say . And others who want some straight talk without commercial interest are welcome to send a PM as they have done in the past Of course I bend everything to suit my products, that's because I based the products on the knowledge I have, knowledge researched over time, derived from respected authorities, in the USA, in China and here in Australia. And it's this knowledge that I argue with you. I presented a graph, it's based on real data, not just hearsay. You poo poo the authority on the basis of the German's, the Swiss are higher authorities you say. First of all you have not presenetd any facts, just your own words, secondly we can't even see the text you refer to, so we are supposed to just accept what you say. My facts are there, present the facts behind your theory, then we can have a discussion, until that happens there is no argument. If you want to move in that direction I would like to see your thermal analysis of a window using 12mm gap and 16mm gap - with and without beads (as the beads are the only difference apart from gap). And I would like to see the Standards references you mentioned and any empirical supporting data. I am happy to joust with you, don't take offence. But don't expect me to back down or concede unless you present facts. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 17May 09, 2009 8:46 am Does anyone have any figures or graphs on the following: 12mm gaps in glazing and air conditioning vents installed in the ceiling 24mm graps in glazing and air conditioning vents and the two without the airconditioning vents. Thanks. Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 18May 09, 2009 8:58 am to_do_list kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Actually I think the sexual tension is palpable... from my perspective who is 'winning' is irrelevant as the informtation and counter discussion - IMO - is what makes the forum excellent, I am capable of taking the facts/marketing and comments and make my own call - lovn google. As for the sexual tension, thats a visual I didn't need .. more love and less war * Are we there yet ? Demolition has come and gone ! yippeeee..hang on that was months ago !! come on Mr Builder, dig a hole at least Finaly ! Hole Dug ! well done darren 20/06/2010. Slab is down ! Framing is complete 20/10/2010 we are progressing like a snail on heat - excited and determined but very very slow Steveo Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 19May 09, 2009 9:02 am to_do_list kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Actually I think the sexual tension is palpable... I concede, I don't have the biggest transom... "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glazing - Air Gaps - What's Best - Myth Vs Truth 20May 09, 2009 9:05 am to_do_list kyton Just as an offside comment:- Do you two have to get into a p!ssing competition every single time? Actually I think the sexual tension is palpable... Jesus, I'm trying to have breakfast. I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick This is one of the reasons I decided to go overseas for my double glazed windows. As the builder indicated, he's worked on many upmarket builds, these were the most well… 13 20298 Brass fly wire, you will need to cut it, shape it and jam it into brick slots 1 8038 |