Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum Re: Concrete slab non conforming 7Jul 19, 2017 10:04 pm Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Concrete slab non conforming 8Jul 19, 2017 10:57 pm It wasn't inspected before the pour. I actually upgraded everything the engineer specified, so the fact that they left both rows of mesh in the bottom of the footing was ok- just not what i thought i was paying for. The majority of the issue is the laying of the concrete. The grano kept telling me how strong it was because of the 'amount' of concrete poured. Probably to take my mind off the 'way' he was pouring it. The engineer looked at my photos and saw that they pushed the slab ties in too long after the footings were poured. So this would leave a 'void' around the steel as the concrete wasn't liquid enough to re-settle around them. It turns out from the delivery docket that the slab tie/z-bars were 200mm too short anyway. But the engineer wouldn't have seen that unless he was there for the pour. There is an issue that could be fixed- where the slab and the internal beams are meant to be monolithic (poured at the same time) but the timeline photos show them pouring the beams at least 2.5 hours before they poured the slab. Apparently you can drill through the slab and chemset in dowels to the beams. The photos of the damaged concrete where the concrete tapered into the beams is the main issue that I feel can't be fixed- and the attached photos are not showing the worst of it. Some areas were just a pile of rubble sitting in the bottom of the trench. I actually put my hand on his shoulder and told the grano to stop pulling on the mesh when he was wrecking the first one. He yelled 'you want it at the top, I'm getting it to the f..ken top' then went around and did it to every one of them- acting like a crazy man. When I confronted him about it the next day he told me he was ready to leave because 'he' felt disrespected and insulted. I couldn't for the life of me work out what to do next. It had taken all of my power just to confront him. Even if I had thought of ringing the engineer, he wouldn't have been at work on a Saturday anyway. At my workplace what he did would be called bullying. Maybe the lawyer will see it that way too and may help my case. Surely that's criminal damage without even seeing it as totally unprofessional/inappropriate!? Re: Concrete slab non conforming 9Jul 19, 2017 11:05 pm That makes no sense, as part of building permit there must be a mandatory inspection and approval, it will be detailed on your building permit. Your contractor is bullying you because he can. Get yourself experienced building consultant to back you up. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Concrete slab non conforming 10Jul 19, 2017 11:54 pm Do you think it could be different in WA? I can't see anything written on my building permit that says I must have inspections. There is a page for 'inspections and tests completed' with 7 lines for inspections and 7 for tests. I did question the shire about this list and what I had to test/inspect. The guy said it was more for any alterations done during the build or lodging what I did test/inspect. Maybe I need to ring the building services again. If I needed an inspection and didn't get one then maybe my fight just got worse. Re: Concrete slab non conforming 11Jul 20, 2017 12:09 am Chalky, We never needed to have specific building inspections. <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=62083">viewtopic.php?t=62083</a><!-- l --> Re: Concrete slab non conforming 14Jul 20, 2017 8:35 am Talk to the person who issued your building permit and ask about pre slab inspection. Get a second opinion on the slab Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Concrete slab non conforming 15Jul 20, 2017 8:43 am chalky Looking at the photos, sorry but I'd say the slab will need to be pulled up... you also should make a complaint to the Building commision. Did you ask/pay for you engineer to inspect the reinforcement before/during the pour? I've found 99% of the times the concrete contractor or tradies are at fault.. I noticed there's no chairs and required concrete cover over the reinforcement? They are probably sitting in the back of the truck with the sundry bars? The proper procedure is to 1.Check that the contractor is licensed. 2.Get a written quote 3.Check the reinforcement order & Quants delivered 4. Warn the concretor that the engineer will inspect the rebar before the pours 5. If its being inspected 6.30am the morning of the pour and found to be noncompliant the pour will be delayed or worse concrete taken back to the depot. 6.7.etc Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Concrete slab non conforming 16Jul 20, 2017 9:10 am building-expert That makes no sense, as part of building permit there must be a mandatory inspection and approval, it will be detailed on your building permit. Your contractor is bullying you because he can. Get yourself experienced building consultant to back you up. Re: Concrete slab non conforming 17Jul 20, 2017 9:49 am Chalky I'm sorry I can't help you with your current slab but happy to recommend tradies and engineer that we used etc <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=62083">viewtopic.php?t=62083</a><!-- l --> Re: Concrete slab non conforming 18Jul 20, 2017 12:38 pm This can be a problem with owner building, not really knowing, the quality of trades used, so to combat this, I had a project manager, builder, who had 3 trades of each job, all top trades, then we would get, good price but more importantly, a top tradesman, project manager fee ended up paying for itself, and I got quality at a great price. Re: Concrete slab non conforming 19Jul 20, 2017 12:44 pm Thank you Doozer for correcitng my assumption, I had no idea that WA is the sister state of Albania. Regardless, work has to comply with NCC and who signs of that it does when it cannot be verified? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Concrete slab non conforming 20Jul 20, 2017 1:55 pm building-expert Thank you Doozer for correcitng my assumption, I had no idea that WA is the sister state of Albania. Regardless, work has to comply with NCC and who signs of that it does when it cannot be verified? From a pure legal perspective, if you've signed the variation, it is a very high bar to have it set aside. No-one can give you legal advice on a forum, but you would need… 3 5473 Thanks. There are plenty of builders around my suburb. I'll make sure to do some door-to-door knocking, or note their building details on the temp fence. 4 4737 Building Standards; Getting It Right! Long story short, a toilet room is going to back onto our main bedroom and I want to make it close to soundproof. 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