Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8523Dec 03, 2017 3:57 pm Jordann Hey All Just wondering what's everyone's thought on the 2 walls tiles not lining up in our bathrooms, as it's bugging me a little. They are both 300x600 so should line up fine if they are laid the same? Not sure why they decided to not line them up? Main Bathroom Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ 1 comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ En-suite 2 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I think once grouted it will be barely noticeable. Maybe there was a slight variance in the tile sizes so they didn’t match them up as to match them up and then they start differing further up/down would look awful. I’d certainly ask why they have been done like that, I’m sure there’s a reason, but DL do make us sign paperwork saying the grout lines may not match up so I don’t think it’s something we can make them redo. Would also most probably delay your build if they did. Building Monte Carlo 40- Wisdom homes Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8524Dec 03, 2017 4:03 pm looks like a money grab. I saw one that was 15k to 25k. perhaps things have gone up on price? Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8525Dec 03, 2017 5:12 pm doosra aaron2008 @doosra With the PA related building in and around sewer, W does it as precaution, to avoid surprises later. Also it depends upon the Sydney water, they can come back asking for encasing to save their assets. We had a 9K PA even though the rain water garden was 5.5m away. we got the PA back after the Water board approval. So i spoke to Wisdom today and what they mentioned was that because they need to pier the rear of the house due to the pool being very close to it, they need extra depth piering and due to the extra depth in the rear, the entire house piers also need to match the depth and so it's about 45-50 piers that need to go further than the 1.5m of piering that's provided by wisdom. If this is true, then the cost seems to make sense. I'll just bite the bullet and sign the fixed price one as i've been stung big time with my provisional allowance on the hydraulic detail which was a 6k PA, however the cost came to 27k so i can't afford any further unexpected cost out of this build. That really sucks. They should’ve had a PA all along for extra piering for the whole slab if that’s the case, but not much you can do about it I suppose. I hate it how they’ll send a huge variation through like that and you have to ask for an explanation! Like who would sign it off without questioning it?![/quote]For those who have been following my post on piering quotes or are going through the admin process. One word of advice, be curious and make sure u pay attention to the details on quotes and plans. Wisdom make so many mistakes that there's a good chance things will be missing in your end panel or construction plans. I already picked up on several missing things. I also got a variation for house piering (due to pool) to a cost of close to 10k when I was expecting it to cost 1-2k from my discussion with wisdom pools. -1st quote was incorrectly priced 10k and included piering for the pool as well which it shouldn't as its managed separate with pool build - 2nd quote was only reduced slightly to about 8k and was also incorrect as they charged me for 55 piers at 3m depth when the depth should be 2.5m -3rd quote was for 55 piers at 2.5m depth, 5k however when I queried it further I came to know that all I need is 4 piers at 2.5m deep and not 55 piers and so I've now asked for a 2k provisional allowance. As u can see, they've over quoted me big-time and would have got away with it. I don't think it's intentional but they're estimating team just make mistakes and their understanding is not so good. I'm very curious about my hydraulic detail but that's too complicated for me to know what to challenge. [/quote] How did you find out about how many piers and their depths? We are doing out pool through wisdom, sitting almost flush to the house but didn’t put a PA in for this, the WL told me it should only be 1-2k also for the piers.. curious as to how you were able to find out exactly what piers you needed Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8526Dec 03, 2017 5:36 pm BuildingMightBeFun doosra aaron2008 @doosra With the PA related building in and around sewer, W does it as precaution, to avoid surprises later. Also it depends upon the Sydney water, they can come back asking for encasing to save their assets. We had a 9K PA even though the rain water garden was 5.5m away. we got the PA back after the Water board approval. So i spoke to Wisdom today and what they mentioned was that because they need to pier the rear of the house due to the pool being very close to it, they need extra depth piering and due to the extra depth in the rear, the entire house piers also need to match the depth and so it's about 45-50 piers that need to go further than the 1.5m of piering that's provided by wisdom. If this is true, then the cost seems to make sense. I'll just bite the bullet and sign the fixed price one as i've been stung big time with my provisional allowance on the hydraulic detail which was a 6k PA, however the cost came to 27k so i can't afford any further unexpected cost out of this build. That really sucks. They should’ve had a PA all along for extra piering for the whole slab if that’s the case, but not much you can do about it I suppose. I hate it how they’ll send a huge variation through like that and you have to ask for an explanation! Like who would sign it off without questioning it?! Wisdom make so many mistakes that there's a good chance things will be missing in your end panel or construction plans. I already picked up on several missing things. I also got a variation for house piering (due to pool) to a cost of close to 10k when I was expecting it to cost 1-2k from my discussion with wisdom pools. -1st quote was incorrectly priced 10k and included piering for the pool as well which it shouldn't as its managed separate with pool build - 2nd quote was only reduced slightly to about 8k and was also incorrect as they charged me for 55 piers at 3m depth when the depth should be 2.5m -3rd quote was for 55 piers at 2.5m depth, 5k however when I queried it further I came to know that all I need is 4 piers at 2.5m deep and not 55 piers and so I've now asked for a 2k provisional allowance. As u can see, they've over quoted me big-time and would have got away with it. I don't think it's intentional but they're estimating team just make mistakes and their understanding is not so good. I'm very curious about my hydraulic detail but that's too complicated for me to know what to challenge. [/quote] How did you find out about how many piers and their depths? We are doing out pool through wisdom, sitting almost flush to the house but didn’t put a PA in for this, the WL told me it should only be 1-2k also for the piers.. curious as to how you were able to find out exactly what piers you needed[/quote]I managed to get my piering cost to a provisional allowance of 2k. It should only cost that much and wisdom pools are good. They'll give u the right advice. Wisdom homes on the other hand not so good. I only need 4 piers to rear of house where the pool is. They over quoted me so just pay attention. WH told me I needed all piers to same depth but it's not true. It's only 4 piers Wisdom pools will request structural engineer design which will show number of piers. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8527Dec 03, 2017 8:33 pm Oak Leaf laminateLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Denim Matt (inclusive tile)Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Porcelain TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Wood Look TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi All, We went to De Lorenzo yesterday to check one last time, before our tile selection appointment (8th Dec 2017). We have shortlisted the following options: 1. Wood Look Tile: Cost of Tile + $70/sqm (laying charges) + $15/sqm (for wood like laying) + $15/sqm (for grout color) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The cheapest wood look tile is for $45/sqm So the total charges comes to $120/sqm i.e. it will cost us $9960. 2. Porcelain Tile: Cost of Tile + $39/sqm (laying charges) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The available sizes are 600x600 or 600x300 If we go for a roughly $58/sqm porcelain tile, it will cost us $5976. 3. Denim Matt Tile: This is from Wisdom inclusive range and would not cost us an extra penny. The available size is 450x450. 4. Oak leaf Laminate: This is an inclusion under Wisdom Wise Choice package available to us. We have a PA of $6000 for Tiles, but we are confused whether to use it for full tiling of washrooms or for tile upgrade? Also whether going with inclusive tiles is better than choosing Oak Leaf laminate or vice versa? Kindly advise. TIA BuildingWashington 32 with W https://buildyourfirsthome.wordpress.com/ Contract: 26/11/2017 DA: 28/03/2018 Admin : 26/04/2018 Const: 11/05/2018 Slab: 16/05/2018 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8528Dec 03, 2017 8:56 pm MandM+4 Jordann Hey All Just wondering what's everyone's thought on the 2 walls tiles not lining up in our bathrooms, as it's bugging me a little. They are both 300x600 so should line up fine if they are laid the same? Not sure why they decided to not line them up? Main Bathroom Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ 1 comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ En-suite 2 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I think once grouted it will be barely noticeable. Maybe there was a slight variance in the tile sizes so they didn’t match them up as to match them up and then they start differing further up/down would look awful. I’d certainly ask why they have been done like that, I’m sure there’s a reason, but DL do make us sign paperwork saying the grout lines may not match up so I don’t think it’s something we can make them redo. Would also most probably delay your build if they did. Thank you everyone for your comments, guess I'm not the only one thinking its weird. The wife also seems to think it will look fine once the grout is in, I'll reserved judgement till them. She also remember the consultant at DL saying something about the tiles wont match up for some reason and apparently we agreed to it. I have no recollection of that conversation haha. Maybe I'll give DL a call tomorrow and ask. Wisdom Homes Manhattan 39 Blog - https://edmondson-park.blogspot.com.au H1 Thread - https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=88210 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8529Dec 03, 2017 10:27 pm Jordann Hey All Just wondering what's everyone's thought on the 2 walls tiles not lining up in our bathrooms, as it's bugging me a little. They are both 300x600 so should line up fine if they are laid the same? Not sure why they decided to not line them up? Main Bathroom Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ 1 comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ En-suite 2 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8530Dec 04, 2017 8:06 am Kvav27 Oak Leaf laminateLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Denim Matt (inclusive tile)Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Porcelain TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Wood Look TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi All, We went to De Lorenzo yesterday to check one last time, before our tile selection appointment (8th Dec 2017). We have shortlisted the following options: 1. Wood Look Tile: Cost of Tile + $70/sqm (laying charges) + $15/sqm (for wood like laying) + $15/sqm (for grout color) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The cheapest wood look tile is for $45/sqm So the total charges comes to $120/sqm i.e. it will cost us $9960. 2. Porcelain Tile: Cost of Tile + $39/sqm (laying charges) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The available sizes are 600x600 or 600x300 If we go for a roughly $58/sqm porcelain tile, it will cost us $5976. 3. Denim Matt Tile: This is from Wisdom inclusive range and would not cost us an extra penny. The available size is 450x450. 4. Oak leaf Laminate: This is an inclusion under Wisdom Wise Choice package available to us. We have a PA of $6000 for Tiles, but we are confused whether to use it for full tiling of washrooms or for tile upgrade? Also whether going with inclusive tiles is better than choosing Oak Leaf laminate or vice versa? Kindly advise. TIA Double check... Inclusive Laminate might only be for upstairs as another option to carpet Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8531Dec 04, 2017 8:35 am calais Kvav27 Oak Leaf laminateLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Denim Matt (inclusive tile)Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Porcelain TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Wood Look TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi All, We went to De Lorenzo yesterday to check one last time, before our tile selection appointment (8th Dec 2017). We have shortlisted the following options: 1. Wood Look Tile: Cost of Tile + $70/sqm (laying charges) + $15/sqm (for wood like laying) + $15/sqm (for grout color) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The cheapest wood look tile is for $45/sqm So the total charges comes to $120/sqm i.e. it will cost us $9960. 2. Porcelain Tile: Cost of Tile + $39/sqm (laying charges) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The available sizes are 600x600 or 600x300 If we go for a roughly $58/sqm porcelain tile, it will cost us $5976. 3. Denim Matt Tile: This is from Wisdom inclusive range and would not cost us an extra penny. The available size is 450x450. 4. Oak leaf Laminate: This is an inclusion under Wisdom Wise Choice package available to us. We have a PA of $6000 for Tiles, but we are confused whether to use it for full tiling of washrooms or for tile upgrade? Also whether going with inclusive tiles is better than choosing Oak Leaf laminate or vice versa? Kindly advise. TIA Double check... Inclusive Laminate might only be for upstairs as another option to carpet Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ As per the wisechoice it says choice between ceramic tiles or timber look flooring to these areas BuildingWashington 32 with W https://buildyourfirsthome.wordpress.com/ Contract: 26/11/2017 DA: 28/03/2018 Admin : 26/04/2018 Const: 11/05/2018 Slab: 16/05/2018 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8532Dec 04, 2017 11:15 am ozmonkeyoy that vertical garden looks awesome and cost effective. Something we will consider as we were thinking of view from the kitchen window. Thanks for sharing. Bunning (or may be some fancy sellers too) have those deco panels which can be used horizontal to enhance the view. hedges are also an option but they are hard to maintain n take time to grow! Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8533Dec 04, 2017 12:18 pm Hi All Please advise :https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=1773366#p1773366 BuildingWashington 32 with W https://buildyourfirsthome.wordpress.com/ Contract: 26/11/2017 DA: 28/03/2018 Admin : 26/04/2018 Const: 11/05/2018 Slab: 16/05/2018 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8534Dec 04, 2017 12:34 pm kvav27 It really depends upon what you want and your budget. tiling the entire bathroom would not cost 6K. I can see that Di L have added new tiles to their range. We are going for timber look and happy to pay extra. ours is costing 9K with 100sqm. You are allowed to get two quote So get quotes with pricey tile & one within range. Also full bathroom & std. That way you know the prices when its time to make decision. For us lounge was more important than bathrooms. Also it is easy to change bathroom tiles than flooring.Hence we went with best flooring that our budget can buy. I found the laminate range very limited and over priced in Di L however there are pics of laminate in the thread and they look amazing. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8535Dec 04, 2017 1:01 pm calais Kvav27 Oak Leaf laminateLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Denim Matt (inclusive tile)Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Porcelain TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Wood Look TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi All, We went to De Lorenzo yesterday to check one last time, before our tile selection appointment (8th Dec 2017). We have shortlisted the following options: 1. Wood Look Tile: Cost of Tile + $70/sqm (laying charges) + $15/sqm (for wood like laying) + $15/sqm (for grout color) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The cheapest wood look tile is for $45/sqm So the total charges comes to $120/sqm i.e. it will cost us $9960. 2. Porcelain Tile: Cost of Tile + $39/sqm (laying charges) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The available sizes are 600x600 or 600x300 If we go for a roughly $58/sqm porcelain tile, it will cost us $5976. 3. Denim Matt Tile: This is from Wisdom inclusive range and would not cost us an extra penny. The available size is 450x450. 4. Oak leaf Laminate: This is an inclusion under Wisdom Wise Choice package available to us. We have a PA of $6000 for Tiles, but we are confused whether to use it for full tiling of washrooms or for tile upgrade? Also whether going with inclusive tiles is better than choosing Oak Leaf laminate or vice versa? Kindly advise. TIA Double check... Inclusive Laminate might only be for upstairs as another option to carpet It’s not. The inclusive laminate is for the main flooring. We went the inclusive laminate as it’s a $70 flooring so by far the best bang for buck. You do have to pay for a skirting refit though if you don’t want scotia around your skirting. And you will still have the scotia in kitchen. Also, it’s no longer included for those on live boldly promo I believe just if anyone else is wondering. Tiles you can get wet, laminate you can’t, that’s the only con in my opinion. Laminate is really hard wearing, in our current house we have cracks in ceramic tiles but no scratches on the laminate. I much prefer the look of floorboards. I figured because the laminate is included we could replace it in a few years if we wanted to and still not pay the price we’d pay Di Lorenzo for upgrading the flooring in the first place! Building Monte Carlo 40- Wisdom homes Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8536Dec 04, 2017 1:01 pm aaron2008 kvav27 It really depends upon what you want and your budget. tiling the entire bathroom would not cost 6K. I can see that Di L have added new tiles to their range. We are going for timber look and happy to pay extra. ours is costing 9K with 100sqm. You are allowed to get two quote So get quotes with pricey tile & one within range. Also full bathroom & std. That way you know the prices when its time to make decision. For us lounge was more important than bathrooms. Also it is easy to change bathroom tiles than flooring.Hence we went with best flooring that our budget can buy. I found the laminate range very limited and over priced in Di L however there are pics of laminate in the thread and they look amazing. Hi aaron2008, we are also going for timber look tiles. What sort of timber look tiles are you getting? The pic that kvav27 posted above for $45sqm was what we were thinking of going with. Is there other types and do you have pics? We have been to DL about 3 times and unfortunately each time, we were not able to ask anyone any questions as they seem all so busy and preoccupied and i imagined they are with people who actually are on their tile appointments, so did not really want to disturb... kvav27 we also went to DL on Saturday and that place is always so busy, so hard to flag someone down, isn't it!? We added a PA for full height tiling to all bathrooms. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8537Dec 04, 2017 1:16 pm Jordann MandM+4 Jordann Hey All Just wondering what's everyone's thought on the 2 walls tiles not lining up in our bathrooms, as it's bugging me a little. They are both 300x600 so should line up fine if they are laid the same? Not sure why they decided to not line them up? Main Bathroom Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ 1 comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ En-suite 2 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I think once grouted it will be barely noticeable. Maybe there was a slight variance in the tile sizes so they didn’t match them up as to match them up and then they start differing further up/down would look awful. I’d certainly ask why they have been done like that, I’m sure there’s a reason, but DL do make us sign paperwork saying the grout lines may not match up so I don’t think it’s something we can make them redo. Would also most probably delay your build if they did. Thank you everyone for your comments, guess I'm not the only one thinking its weird. The wife also seems to think it will look fine once the grout is in, I'll reserved judgement till them. She also remember the consultant at DL saying something about the tiles wont match up for some reason and apparently we agreed to it. I have no recollection of that conversation haha. Maybe I'll give DL a call tomorrow and ask. Is it because you've got a mixture of porcelain and ceramic tiles? The grout width will obviously be different in that case. I don't remember signing anything about mismatched grout lines at DL.... got me thinking now. Manhattan 52 Scrape 8/11/17 Slab 16/11/17 Handover 7/12/18 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8538Dec 04, 2017 2:33 pm Jordann Hey All Just wondering what's everyone's thought on the 2 walls tiles not lining up in our bathrooms, as it's bugging me a little. They are both 300x600 so should line up fine if they are laid the same? Not sure why they decided to not line them up? Main Bathroom Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ 1 comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ En-suite 2 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi, After having a close look, On the wall with Niche the tiler added small lenth tile below and top of niche, While on opposite wall the small length tiles are on top and bottom. This looks like a case of no coordination between 2 tiler doing the 2 walls. or the tiler sadly not thinking it through. BuildingWashington 32 with W https://buildyourfirsthome.wordpress.com/ Contract: 26/11/2017 DA: 28/03/2018 Admin : 26/04/2018 Const: 11/05/2018 Slab: 16/05/2018 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8539Dec 04, 2017 3:22 pm Kvav27 Oak Leaf laminateLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Denim Matt (inclusive tile)Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Porcelain TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Wood Look TileLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi All, We went to De Lorenzo yesterday to check one last time, before our tile selection appointment (8th Dec 2017). We have shortlisted the following options: 1. Wood Look Tile: Cost of Tile + $70/sqm (laying charges) + $15/sqm (for wood like laying) + $15/sqm (for grout color) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The cheapest wood look tile is for $45/sqm So the total charges comes to $120/sqm i.e. it will cost us $9960. 2. Porcelain Tile: Cost of Tile + $39/sqm (laying charges) - $25/sqm (luxury inclusion tile charges) The available sizes are 600x600 or 600x300 If we go for a roughly $58/sqm porcelain tile, it will cost us $5976. 3. Denim Matt Tile: This is from Wisdom inclusive range and would not cost us an extra penny. The available size is 450x450. 4. Oak leaf Laminate: This is an inclusion under Wisdom Wise Choice package available to us. We have a PA of $6000 for Tiles, but we are confused whether to use it for full tiling of washrooms or for tile upgrade? Also whether going with inclusive tiles is better than choosing Oak Leaf laminate or vice versa? Kindly advise. TIA We were originally going to go with Denim Matt tile as well, but then had a changed of heart. Timber tiles were were expensive so we went with polished porcelain instead for ground floor. Wisdom Homes Manhattan 39 Blog - https://edmondson-park.blogspot.com.au H1 Thread - https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=88210 Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 8540Dec 04, 2017 4:05 pm Our kitchen quotes (the last ones to arrive) have finally arrived . We are lodging to DA tomorrow . Fingers crossed. Amidst all this we also have a sewer peg out over quote similar to doosra . They have quoted us 6k for 20 piers that run deeper than the standard 2.5m which is quite over the estimate of 2-3k which was budgeted for in our PA and also according to the calculations should fall within the same range. Trying to get it sorted via CSR but its taking time . Can someone please offer some advice? Im DESPERATE. Because I'm completely and utterly exhausted. How long are variations taking with other companies at the moment? 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