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Re: PVC Windows 5Nov 11, 2010 9:39 am About China... I have been in windows for 15 years and have found the quality of builders windows in Australia is low and prices generally of high value added products, are high. Why are prices high? Australia is a small market, so maintaining a market position here is expensive. For example I can buy a DeWalt rechargeable drill here for about $600, but I can buy it in the USA for $160 (I know because we use them in our business). Our business plan is to design our products in Australia and manufacture and import from our factories in China. Our products are high quality and priced to be highly competitive. Most of the components for windows in Australia come from overseas and reflect the same high costs in Australia already mentioned (which by the way, is why they can't claim "Australian Made", the qualification to claim this is quite strict). Many larger window manufacturers import materials from Asia and assemble here. So at EcoClassic, by manufacturing in China, we save a large labour and overhead cost component, and what we do with that saving is to convert it into a better quality product. That is why our aluminium window is the highest rated for energy efficiency in Australia against 7000 others!! (Something I can't say in a public arena like this unless it's true). Our aluminium window is also one of the strongest windows in Australia - but I can't say that for certain because the test data for competitors is not published, unlike the energy ratings in WERS, but most competitor aluminium windows of the test size 2.4m high x 1.8m wide would not rate better than N1 and ours rates N4 (withstands cyclonic wind & rain), tested here in Australia at a NATA laboratory. PVC? PVC is a mixture of chemicals... and even though one piece can look the same as another, they may be very different in performance. The formulations from each manufacturer are specific to the end use of the product. Just because they may supply Saudi Arabia, does not mean that that is the formulation they use for every country. We have a qualified guy running our plant, a chemical engineer in plastics. I have personally audited the formulations and the process, and I am confident in our products. The hardware is German, the timber film we use, is made by the best German manufacturer in the world, they have 2 standards of quality and we use the highest. All of our PVC windows are supplied with toughened safety glass. Is there rubbish coming from China? Of course. China’s population is 60x Australia’s, so we will see 60x more rubbish and 60x more good stuff coming from China, compared to Australia. The Chinese don’t export their rubbish, other companies import it. EcoClassic’s point of difference is, we control the design and we control the quality. We spent 2 years researching manufacture in China before we started to make sure we got it right. Why buy EcoClassic? Well if you plan well and can wait the 6 week lead time, and you buy low cost windows, you will definitely get either a better product at a similar price, or if you prefer high quality windows, then you will get a similar or better product at a vastly lower price. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: PVC Windows 6Nov 11, 2010 3:08 pm While I understand the thrust of Ed's post, and don't dispute any of the data. (I would probably do the same to support my product if it came under fire of a generalization). I wish to clarfy a point or two in Ed's post to prevent any misunderstandings and for my own peace of mind. The extrusion formula Deceuninck supplies to Saudi Arabia IS the formula supplied to us. Just in case anyone reading was to infer that we use a different formula. Every stick of every profile of uPVC extrusion we bring in from Europe from Deceuninck carries a minimum of 9% titanium dioxide. Also worth mentioning that AMAG (Australian Made Australian Grown) is quite satisfied that our level of local content meets their strict criteria for carrying the Australian Made logo. None of our uPVC product uses any content sourced from Asia (not that theres anything wrong with that). Re-addressing the thrust of the original thread; We all make pretty good windows here and yes, some definitely look different from others. If one is better or worse is in the eyes of the beholder. Order your windows from whoever you feel comfortable with. Visit the showrooms, slam the doors, scratch at the surfaces, look at the seals, the welds etc. Ask the salesperson about longevity, fading, colour options, whatever. Ask about installation for different building materials, different glazing and tinting options. Just keep asking till you are satisfied that all your questions are properly answered. Then go with the company who makes the best coffee. Simple. Re: PVC Windows 7Nov 11, 2010 3:12 pm Visionarii Brad While I understand the thrust of Ed's post, and don't dispute any of the data. (I would probably do the same to support my product if it came under fire of a generalization). I wish to clarfy a point or two in Ed's post to prevent any misunderstandings and for my own peace of mind. The extrusion formula Deceuninck supplies to Saudi Arabia IS the formula supplied to us. Just in case anyone reading was to infer that we use a different formula. Every stick of every profile of uPVC extrusion we bring in from Europe from Deceuninck carries a minimum of 9% titanium dioxide. Also worth mentioning that AMAG (Australian Made Australian Grown) is quite satisfied that our level of local content meets their strict criteria for carrying the Australian Made logo. None of our uPVC product uses any content sourced from Asia (not that theres anything wrong with that). Re-addressing the thrust of the original thread; We all make pretty good windows here and yes, some definitely look different from others. If one is better or worse is in the eyes of the beholder. Order your windows from whoever you feel comfortable with. Visit the showrooms, slam the doors, scratch at the surfaces, look at the seals, the welds etc. Ask the salesperson about longevity, fading, colour options, whatever. Ask about installation for different building materials, different glazing and tinting options. Just keep asking till you are satisfied that all your questions are properly answered. Then go with the company who makes the best coffee. Simple. We have a Swiss coffee machine... "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: PVC Windows 8Nov 11, 2010 3:14 pm Thanks Ed, Thats the funniest thing Ive heard today. Have a good one. Re: PVC Windows 9Nov 11, 2010 6:17 pm What does a WERS rating mean on my gas/electricity bill? What's the difference going to be in real $$$$ on the utility bill between two medium sized identical homes built side by side with the only difference being one is fitted with windows that are rated WERS 1 and the other fitted with WERS 4? Quote: WERS rates the energy impact of windows in housing anywhere in Australia. With up to 40% of a home’s energy for cooling or heating being lost or gained through windows, improving their thermal performance reduces energy costs and Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions. http://www.wers.net/ If 40% is the max (I doubt that's right, maybe with the window open)..what's the average? and what will the percentage improvement be with a WERS 4 rated window? Is the energy saving in $$$$ greater than the extra expense paid over a 10/15/20 yr period? My questions are in relation to heating and cooling, but I welcome any additional information on the acoustic properties of PVC and/or aluminum windows. Re: PVC Windows 10Nov 11, 2010 9:04 pm TheOK What does a WERS rating mean on my gas/electricity bill? What's the difference going to be in real $$$$ on the utility bill between two medium sized identical homes built side by side with the only difference being one is fitted with windows that are rated WERS 1 and the other fitted with WERS 4? Quote: WERS rates the energy impact of windows in housing anywhere in Australia. With up to 40% of a home’s energy for cooling or heating being lost or gained through windows, improving their thermal performance reduces energy costs and Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions. http://www.wers.net/ If 40% is the max (I doubt that's right, maybe with the window open)..what's the average? and what will the percentage improvement be with a WERS 4 rated window? Is the energy saving in $$$$ greater than the extra expense paid over a 10/15/20 yr period? My questions are in relation to heating and cooling, but I welcome any additional information on the acoustic properties of PVC and/or aluminum windows. Your terminology doesn't make sense (WERS1 and WERS4?), if this is a genuine general interest you should read old posts, of which there are many. The science is there, as is the economic analysis - no argument, just simple maths. If you have an interest for a specific project I can do the maths if you want, just post the details or PM me. Your window choices, window sizes etc... Thanks Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: PVC Windows 12Nov 16, 2010 6:00 pm PVC Windows.... We did a total renovation on an old house in Hobart 3 years ago and replaced all the windows with tilt & turn Kommerling units. We even used a Kommerling window as the "wall" for our shower with a small garden outside of it. The initial concern - particularly with the shampoo and other things ladies like to stick in their hair, was staining on the shower window frame. This has not been a problem at all, quite the opposite actually. The pink stain (beats me why it's pink) from some shampoo's/ soaps simply wipes off with a bit of "spray&wipe". The other windows in the house are all exposed to full sun; watering system from the garden and dog nose grime! Nothing seems to stick to these things! Very happy with ours, but our next house will probably go Thermal break Aluminium because they are "more architecturally" pleasing to look at. yep sounds good make the footing bigger to to allow for the pipe in the middle 3 7320 Plumbers 'can be' plumbers, made all the worse by self certification which the building surveyor invariably accepts as proof of compliance! The good thing is that you know know. 3 4859 DIY, Home Maintenance & Repair 3 pipes are coming from upstairs bathroom. 40mm from bathroom sink, 50mm from shower and another 50mm from the bathtub. Highly unlikely that any of these will be open at… 2 843 |