Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Roof Restoration 4Oct 09, 2009 10:09 am Vifferdude Hi Guys, Has anyone had experince with having their concrete roof tiles painted? Just got a quote from Modern Roof Restoration for $11,000 . From what I have heard... stay away from Modern Group. Those tv commercials aren't free. Re: Roof Restoration 5Oct 09, 2009 3:41 pm Personally its something I wouldn't do. A friend of mine had her roof painted about 8 years ago. Its faded and is peeling everywhere now. Luckily she managed to sell her place even in its present state so I guess the new owners will have to repeat the expensive process. Arfur Re: Roof Restoration 6Oct 09, 2009 4:45 pm I used Modern to restore a roof years ago and I wouldn't recommend them to my worst enemy. For starters they don't have their own tradesmen, they use contractors and like many large companies the quality of the job is a luck of the draw as to what contractor you end up with. If something goes wrong Moderns approach is to direct you to the contractor and completely wash their hands of it. They even left it up to me to pay the contractor so whether I paid for the substanded work or not ended up being between me and the contractor. After I complained to them over the appauling job they did they pretended like they gave a toss and then never rang me back and generally used to old 'give you the run around until you go away routine'. I know two people who have used smaller independent people and have both ended up with a better job for less money. Modern have a standard approach with their pricing they use on every customer: Quote high and then lower the price and make it seem like a special deal is being offered. I simply wouldn't trust them for anything. Re: Roof Restoration 7Oct 14, 2009 9:37 am I have read that it is better not to have 'restoration' work done on roofing. Once done, you are locked in to periodically redoing the work for the rest of the time you own the building. Just because the original colour fades doesn't mean that the tiles don't do the job that they are meant to do. Sure, repair any cracked or damaged tiles and clean any growth, but live with the weathering of the original colour if you can. Much, much cheaper. Pfiff Finally making progress again, with a clothesline (yippee) and some much needed little things being attended to over the holidays. 40 C on New Year's eve? We love our a/c! Re: Roof Restoration 8Oct 17, 2009 4:32 am I think you will find Modern Roofing is owned by Bramalco, who also own Streamline, Oz-roll and Impulse roller shutters and other building services. From recent experience getting a quote for roller shutters they started out at over $10K and eventually reduced it to $5500, but ONLY if I signed on the day. They refused to quote per shutter (so I could have some done now and some later) and refused to leave me with a written quote. Should I change my mind (I wont) they may not have any record of their quote as calculations were only scribbled on a notepad I would avoid this company at all costs based on that experience Arfur Re: Roof Restoration 9Oct 17, 2009 11:01 am Fiffaro I have read that it is better not to have 'restoration' work done on roofing. Once done, you are locked in to periodically redoing the work for the rest of the time you own the building. Just because the original colour fades doesn't mean that the tiles don't do the job that they are meant to do. Sure, repair any cracked or damaged tiles and clean any growth, but live with the weathering of the original colour if you can. Much, much cheaper. You are right its heaps cheaper to not touch them, aslong as you dont care about the presentation of the home and reguler maintenance. Instead of thinking about this sort of work and maintenance as a lump sum payment (which is difficult for anyone) look at it from a differant perspective....ie. You have purchased a new home, average cost being around $350,000 (guessing) for home and land. The home is lined with building materials obviously, that being internal plasteboard and pine trims etc, doors are usually honeycomb manufactured doors (hollow) roof being cement tile gutter facsia etc being galvanised iron and eaves being fibro cement sheeting. The coatings on all these materials is what protects them, the origanal coating on the tile roof protects the material its made of, it would crumble eventually and the pointing eventually will crack, the issue with having cracked and damaged roofing is the damage to the internal of the home if its not maintained. Thats the roof, now internally after about 4 -6 years your paint work will chalk generally and will have substantial damage caused by innocent things like bumping up against it etc, also your window trims will become dirty and damaged from dust and the air etc breakdown of materials, at that point of 6 years everythings still in pretty good condition material wise but the surfaces start to break down ,this is where maintenance comes into play, as once the surfaces break down over the following few years the materials under the surfaces will start to break down. Given that an average valued home of $350,000 given a normal suburban enviroment, is probably around 25sq's , the cost of re-doing the roof = $4,000 appx internal repaint $6,000 external repaint $2,000 totalling $12,000 appx (give or take size/difficulty/circumstances) 6 years /$12,000 = 2,000 per yr/52 weeks a year = $38.46 per week. Those prices are useing premium quality materials and fixing all wear and tear issues i.e internal movment cracking, your kids putting dings in the walls or drawing on them etc. If someone said to you when you initially first built the home that you will live worry free from maintenance issues, every six years have the option to do full colour changes throughout the home including roof/internal/external /doors /trim even the garage tilt a door for $38.50 a week would you do it ? its cheaper then a take away meal each week. I run a company that will soon be marketing residential maintenance services like this, And whats even better is we will be able to offer the service upfront, your entire home done intially and every 6 years there after, and you just start paying the approxamate amount of around $40 a week. I'm not trying to make a sale here just explain that theres differant ways of looking at it , hopefully people think its a good idea ? Re: Roof Restoration 10Oct 17, 2009 8:40 pm My experience is that painting, if done right, does NOT have to be redone every 6 years. As well, if you are talking brand new roof tiles, I'd be pretty dismayed if they had to be replaced after 6 years. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't pay $12,000 ($38.50 x 52 weeks x 6 years) every six years to change the colour scheme in my house. If I liked it enough to live with it for six years, I doubt I'd get sick enough to change it after that. Just my 2c. Re: Roof Restoration 11Oct 17, 2009 9:47 pm Fiffaro I have read that it is better not to have 'restoration' work done on roofing. Once done, you are locked in to periodically redoing the work for the rest of the time you own the building. Just because the original colour fades doesn't mean that the tiles don't do the job that they are meant to do. Sure, repair any cracked or damaged tiles and clean any growth, but live with the weathering of the original colour if you can. Much, much cheaper. Agree. I'd call it coating or surfacing (which restores a new look I suppose) and that has maintenance implications down the track. Uncle Arfur I think you will find Modern Roofing is owned by Bramalco, who also own Streamline, Oz-roll and Impulse roller shutters and other building services. Modern are the ones that have displays in shopping malls aren't they? A few years ago we had a look at their display and they did not have the OzRoll option, or at least they weren't offering it in our area. We got our shutters elsewhere WITH the OzRoll option. I googled and found that "the Modern Group is Ozroll’s longest serving client". Anyway, I just wanted to make a favourable comment about OzRoll specifically. Re: Roof Restoration 12Oct 19, 2009 8:30 am swarvy You are right its heaps cheaper to not touch them, aslong as you dont care about the presentation of the home and reguler maintenance. Instead of thinking about this sort of work and maintenance as a lump sum payment (which is difficult for anyone) look at it from a differant perspective I like looking at it from this perspective: "Concrete roofing tiles are perhaps the most durable and maintenance free roofing material on the market. They are impervious to high wind, highly resistant to solar damage...As for regular maintenance, there is none." I seem to recall Choice warning about those that try to drum up business by scaring home owners into unnecessary and expensive 'restorations'. As far as I can see, the only people pushing this kind of work are those that offer the service to do it. Ah, some days I so like the Internet: it is liberating. Pfiff Finally making progress again, with a clothesline (yippee) and some much needed little things being attended to over the holidays. 40 C on New Year's eve? We love our a/c! Re: Roof Restoration 13Oct 19, 2009 9:02 pm Look its pretty accepted within the industry that if you have a tiled roof you will be up for maintenance , if you leave it go it will cost you more then if you maintain it periodically, 6 years is a good time to maintain as it gets it before it degrades, you're right painting done right will last alot longer then six years but six years is about the point it will start to wear, I am not trying scare tactics to drum up business or any of that sort of shananigans, I am pretty sure chatting on forums is not real productive when it comes to advertising. However in my opinon if your truely after a maintenance free roof, you would choose colourbond. Also the point i was making with the cost breakdown above is a mere example of how inexpensive it is when time is taken into account. Take it or leave it its my opinion. I dont want to rock the boat so all i'am going to say is, I am expressing my opinion as someone who is legitimately trained and qualified in this area, There is no way for me nor anyone else to get around people's paranoid thinking or assumptions that everyones out to rip them of or lie to them. Take it or leave it wateva. Re: Roof Restoration 14Oct 21, 2009 9:25 am Quote: Modern are the ones that have displays in shopping malls aren't they? A few years ago we had a look at their display and they did not have the OzRoll option, or at least they weren't offering it in our area. We got our shutters elsewhere WITH the OzRoll option. I googled and found that "the Modern Group is Ozroll’s longest serving client". Anyway, I just wanted to make a favourable comment about OzRoll specifically. Don't know about the displays Macy and I dont want to hi-jack the topic BUT If you google again you will find Modern's Adelaide address is the same as Streamline/Bramalco with Oz-roll next door and Impulse the one after. I dont know what the Oz-roll option is (I'm assuming its the battery drive) The Streamline sales person stated that they manufacture the slats for ALL the other shutter companies and smugly intimated that if you chose another company you will end up with their product OR will be owned by Bramalco anyway. Don't get me wrong they have a reasonable product its just the crap they go through trying to bulldoze you into signing on the day -- in the same fashion that roof painting companies do Quote: Look its pretty accepted within the industry that if you have a tiled roof you will be up for maintenance What absolute RUBBISH. "Industry"? The only people to state this are the roof painting industry. My tile roof is over 35 yrs old, sure its faded, but I dont mind. I suppose you will try to tell me next (like the door to door shonks) its absorbing water and becoming too heavy and my roof will collapse? Yeah right! I agree with Fiffaro. Arfur Re: Roof Restoration 16Oct 22, 2009 12:21 am Uncle Arfur If you google again you will find Modern's Adelaide address is the same as Streamline/Bramalco with Oz-roll next door and Impulse the one after. I dont know what the Oz-roll option is (I'm assuming its the battery drive) Thanks. We like our nifty battery drives. I do like to know what brands are associated with each other though. Uncle Arfur What absolute RUBBISH. "Industry"? The only people to state this are the roof painting industry. My tile roof is over 35 yrs old, sure its faded, but I dont mind. Everything I've heard indicates that coating the tiles INCREASES the maintenance, and if the application isn't done right the maintenance can come a lot sooner than you think. I remember reading about a few problems locally. 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