Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 12Mar 11, 2010 9:00 pm Our 6" blackbutt was secret nailed & top nailed ( & glued), no cramping needed. Life's too short too drink bad wine Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 13Mar 12, 2010 9:55 pm I am up to 85 m2 out of 120 and used spotted gum and installed it using a secret nailer which as described from the others is easy to use. I have used a fair bit of glue, for the sake of $8 a tube for extra strength well worth it. As for whether to get cramps or not, both carpenters i spoke to said you wont need them, well I can tell you after spending 6 days so far doing it if I didn't have the cramps I would have probably got them close but by taking the time to cramp them if you cant get a board in perfectly the result is heaps better, just takes more time. You can hire them from normal hire joints. I laid mine over yellow tongue and the cramps have to nails which you tap down and it grips into the particle flooring and then you just wind the boards in. In relation to starting your boards just make sure you run a chalk line off a wall and check it against your adjacent walls for square. You will never get a board that is exactly straight so pick the straightest one and use the chalk line to get that first row spot on, the rest should follow and by the time you get to the other side you should be laughing!! You do get a sore back though!! Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 14Mar 12, 2010 11:41 pm mickve In existing houses yes acclimatise timber in a new house dont waste your time even the department of forestry is now saying it is not neaded and i agree. We let timber sit there in a new house for a month when house is all closed up most of the time then the customer moves in and has the air cond on all day which will dry the timber out. Unless you have the timber in the house and run the air cond like you would when you live in there it is a waste even after you do this you will still get movement at different times of year as humidity changes. Very interesting, I heard the same from a flooring expert guy. He added that it's actually worse in some cases, depending on a few factors. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 15Mar 13, 2010 12:26 pm Hi Hunts01, Thanks for your information - exactly what I was seeking. I have about 55m2 also of spotted gum to lay - was certainly going to hire the secret nail gun but was unaware if any cramping aids were available to work off the particle board floor. While many of the boards are straight and can be taken up relatively easily using a chisel as a lever, some other boards are not so straight and do require something that gives a better mechanical advantage. And will certainly be using the glue as well. May I ask if you are in Vic/Melbourne? Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 16Mar 13, 2010 1:21 pm mickve In existing houses yes acclimatise timber in a new house dont waste your time even the department of forestry is now saying it is not neaded and i agree. We let timber sit there in a new house for a month when house is all closed up most of the time then the customer moves in and has the air cond on all day which will dry the timber out. Unless you have the timber in the house and run the air cond like you would when you live in there it is a waste even after you do this you will still get movement at different times of year as humidity changes. Does this mean that pre-finished full timber boards, or even floating floors would be more stable? In other words, does this apply to raw boards only, including raw parquetry blocks? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 17Mar 13, 2010 8:56 pm Yep in Melbourne, In regards to using a chisel, it will bring some of the boards in but no all of them perfectly. Floor cramps cost 30 a week to hire and they get every board in 100% and are easy to use just a little time consuming, but if you want it done right it will take time, ore pay someone to do it! cheers Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 19May 20, 2010 8:17 pm I think for the majority of boards the gun will get them in, me not being a professional timber floor installer, thought $30 was the way to go to get those difficult boards in, and trust me on 4.2 metre lengths I was glad to have it, funny thing is the smaller boards up to 1200mm in length were the harder ones to do!! Re: Secret Nailing T & G flooring 20May 20, 2010 8:46 pm So, are you saying that you had to use a $30 clamping device only for some boards ? And why? Were those boards maybe a bit bent or twisted? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Jimbo73 I would use heaps of adhesive on each sheet and screw rather than nail. use as many as you like cheers Simeon 1 4045 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6173 Engineering timber is certainly a less fuss option, times cheaper to supply and install and better withstands humidity. 1 15884 |