Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Data Points cost 2Feb 21, 2013 6:46 pm How badly do you really need them? I had them installed into our property, moved in, connected the router, PS3, 2 laptops, 2 desktops.... Turned it on... Nothing. Well not completely nothing. I messed around with it for 2 days, would find 1 or 2 computers at a time, but could not get everything working together. On the 3rd day, I bought a wireless router! Turned it on, I have not used the data points since. I did however have an additional phone point installed and it was handy to have the cable already in the wall that could be used, and that was not worth the cost of the 6 points I had installed. I did manage to have them done at a great price but again, did not prove a wise investment. Re: Data Points cost 3Feb 22, 2013 12:16 pm Yes. I tend to agree. Wireless technology is getting faster and faster. I think Data Points will not going to just deliver data anymore. I came across this new standard HDBaseT http://www.hdbaset.org/technology/what_is_hdbaset It's basically going to replace all the media cables with a single CAT5e or CAT6 cable for all your media needs. It has big AV companies support like Samsung, LG, Sony, Pioneer. I read about the devices started coming out since last year (still high price but will come down when more device) and from CES etc. I was also in a dilemma to put data cable or not, during construction or after etc. After that research, I changed my point of view about data point. Now I put my data point solely for the purpose where the TV/media/screen is going to be. Re: Data Points cost 4Feb 22, 2013 7:37 pm In my opinion, cat cable still has immense value. wireless will not be at a suitable standard for every product for quite some time and any other newer product won't be as cost effective for a little while at least. Can really depend on the location and how many points but there is a guy on here, Pugs, who is based in Adelaide but is a great knowledge data base for this kind of stuff. He might be able to give you a better idea.. http://www.homeone.com.au/member/pugs Kenny & Kayla - Adelaide Follow our build on Instagram First build 2013 - Finished and sold Second build 2018 - Underway Re: Data Points cost 5Feb 23, 2013 9:48 pm Wifi bandwidth is definitely improving but latency is not. You just can't get gaming-grade latency out of wireless. It's also pretty lousy for large file transfer as the frame sizes are too small. Which is geek speak for us being years away from wireless being a replacement for wired. You can definitely reduce your need for data points if you invest in the right wireless gear though. 802.11ac access points are finally fast enough for most purposes and we are only a year away from about half of new laptops having compatible receivers. Still, I'm wiring my house extensively. 22 data points including three for wifi access points. Best of both worlds. HD Re: Data Points cost 6Feb 23, 2013 10:45 pm Definitely get data points. Ours is about $110 per point, also a bit expensive we though.. so we only added 4 points strategically placed around the house for tv and access points etc. I wish I could get more, but will mainly use wireless obviously, so hopefully I won't regret not getting more. But everyone should definitely get a few points for your main entertainment area etc at least, even though we can't all be as lucky as Lurgen Re: Data Points cost 7Feb 24, 2013 12:05 am Strategic points is a good idea. If you later find a need for several devices needing Data, then add an inexpensive Router at that point. 8 Or 16 Ports are getting cheaper. Usually Plug and Play. Maybe get Conduit run to other possible points, with pull through wire. Wired is easier to setup, and inherently more secure than WiFi. Some Data companies "might" have better rates than Electricians, and could do a better job. Re: Data Points cost 8Feb 24, 2013 9:15 am Agree with most of the posters. To be able to stream high quality (eg: HD) throughout your house, wired data points (preferably with cat6 cable) are a must. Especially with the NBN coming (or already available some places) - to make use of the fibre optic speed, your internal wiring needs to be up to scratch too. Wireless simply won't cut it for high volume traffic. Eg: if I try to stream a HD movie wirelessly at home right now, it'll be forever buffering and stuttering and is basically unwatchable. We have just gone through detailing a data plan for our new home built, if you're interested in having a look. My Hamptons build (completed): viewtopic.php?f=31&t=63370 Moved in Wednesday 11th Dec 2013 Front landscaping completed June 2016 Re: Data Points cost 9Feb 24, 2013 7:44 pm $130 is what we would expect in an existing building (I run an IT company and we get contractors to do cabling). I would have expected less from your electrician at build time. We will find out on Tuesday the actual price (I plan in wiring my place extensively as well!) Re: Data Points cost 10Feb 24, 2013 8:21 pm daveinthehills $130 is what we would expect in an existing building (I run an IT company and we get contractors to do cabling). I would have expected less from your electrician at build time. We will find out on Tuesday the actual price (I plan in wiring my place extensively as well!) I think the problem is that when you go through the builder, you get whatever price they give you. If you were to arrange someone yourself to come in and do the cabling, that would be significantly cheaper. I wish we had done that, but as it is our first build, it was a bit overwhelming and if we ever build again we will do many things differently/ better. I think the best approach in this case is to stand up for yourself and tell them that you will be arranging cat6 cabling yourself, and you can get proper extensive cabling done instead of just the basic due to prices. Re: Data Points cost 11Feb 25, 2013 12:29 am We have data points. I have wireless as well for portable devices, but anything stationary is cabled if there's a point near it. As pointed out, latency over wireless is rubbish, and even if the theoretical speed is 300Mb of a decent N router, it can be horribly variable (mine drops to as little as 5Mb for no explicable reason). Wireless also drops connections from time to time... really annoying when you're streaming a video to your TV over wifi and having it drop out halfway through, then when it reconnects, you have to start from the beginning because Samsung TVs wont allow you to fastforward some file formats over wifi. Cable. Just. Works. Always fast. Always connected. Why muck around. If you do get them to put in data points, get yourself a cable tester and test each one before/at the final inspection. We had half of ours non-working. Our builder used a sparky to put them in, who wired them wrong.. clearly had no clue what he was doing. Re: Data Points cost 14Oct 18, 2013 4:31 pm nlov We paid $182 each for Cat6 in March. We only asked for 3 because of the price, but would've liked more. Does it need to be near the tv point for the one in the media room? I'm a bit clueless yes, i would like to know where would be the best places to put these if I were to install only a couple due to the cost involved. Have not much clue what this exactly is....does it have a MAIN UNIT where we hide it away in a cupboards or something? Best place I would guess is JUST the TV AREA. For a double story homes, is it still possible to lay CAT6 cables AFTERWARDS by electricians? or it must be put in during build time before the Walls Gyprock goes on? Re: Data Points cost 15Oct 18, 2013 5:18 pm lovepub yes, i would like to know where would be the best places to put these if I were to install only a couple due to the cost involved. Have not much clue what this exactly is....does it have a MAIN UNIT where we hide it away in a cupboards or something? Best place I would guess is JUST the TV AREA. For a double story homes, is it still possible to lay CAT6 cables AFTERWARDS by electricians? or it must be put in during build time before the Walls Gyprock goes on? Anywhere you will have anything that has an Ethernet connection. That would be, your entertaintment devices (TV, Foxtel, PS3, XBOX, media player & potentially amplifier - each device that has a port will need one, but you may not want to connect everything via cable - you could use wireless), wherever you'll have computers set up (a PC is a must, a laptop maybe but only if you're going to sit near the point in the wall). I've put at least 1 in each bedroom, 3 in my son's room, 1 in ours, 6 in our theatre room, 4 in our family room - but I've gone beyond what you'd call average because I want to future proof as much as possible. I've had cat 6 cable laid throughout and will have a patch panel and media server in a dedicated area. I'm not a cabler, but from what I know you pretty much have to get the cable for a double story laid during the build - because you've got floors going over the top of the lower floor walls etc whereas for top level they can do into the roof space and do it. Our builder allowed our own data cabler on site do this, a lot won't though. Even if you just get the bare minimum, say 2 cabled points where your TV is run all your other devices wirelessly, and one to your computer, it's better than relying on only wireless. My Hamptons build (completed): viewtopic.php?f=31&t=63370 Moved in Wednesday 11th Dec 2013 Front landscaping completed June 2016 Re: Data Points cost 16Oct 18, 2013 5:47 pm cinder lovepub I'm not a cabler, but from what I know you pretty much have to get the cable for a double story laid during the build - because you've got floors going over the top of the lower floor walls etc whereas for top level they can do into the roof space and do it. Our builder allowed our own data cabler on site do this, a lot won't though. Even if you just get the bare minimum, say 2 cabled points where your TV is run all your other devices wirelessly, and one to your computer, it's better than relying on only wireless. looks like you went nuts with all the cabling. I will be building with Plantation, so hopefully their price for these will not go over the roof. Otherwise fingers crossed that they will allow our cabler to do it during the build. Re: Data Points cost 17Oct 18, 2013 9:43 pm Before you go nuts and say "I have 6 devices in my tv room that have Ethernet ports on them, therefore I'm going to spend a thousand bucks getting 6 data ports cabled into that one room" stop and think and understand your usage. You don't need 6 ports and you can save a bundle getting only one plus a 50 buck gigabit switch. Why? 1. How many devices will you run simultaneously? 2. How much data will each device pull down a link when in use? You will likely only run one device at a time that will be data intensive - and that will be streaming of content to watch on your tv or projector. Even that won't saturate a cat 5e or cat 6 cable. While you're sitting there and enjoying watching that HD movie that your media player is busily sucking down from your NAS stored in your comms room patched into a switch and connected over that single cable to the tv room, your PS3, your xbox, your internet enabled tv etc will all be idle and consuming no data. Don't go nuts unless you plan to be moving huge amounts of data around from multiple devices simultaneously and remember that your biggest bottleneck is not necessarily the amount of bandwidth available over the cable but the devices themselves and their ability to process data being sent or received. I'd even question the point of running two ports per room - one for data and one for voice. Who doesn't use cordless phones these days? Sure - cable one location for voice to run the first handset from but the other 4 phones you use in your house could be cordless handsets utilising that one patched connection. A single Ethernet port in any room of a house that is likely to need to use data is sufficient in most cases and multiple devices used in a room can run through a switch without any impact to performance. Unless you are hosting a data centre at your house of course... Completed a knock down and rebuild in northern Melbourne. Handover completed 27/09/2013 and now moved in. Re: Data Points cost 18Oct 18, 2013 10:30 pm Bluesuede A single Ethernet port in any room of a house that is likely to need to use data is sufficient in most cases and multiple devices used in a room can run through a switch without any impact to performance. Unless you are hosting a data centre at your house of course... this is great advice ... I hope the WIRELESS technology will become better and faster to compete with cable. At this stage, i will probably plan to put in a data cable for just the TV areas.....bed room can survive on the wireless i guess. I dont use landline phones that much...so that is no big deal for me. If you're referring to Eufy homebase, then just put a switch between a datapoint and put the homebase elsewhere near another device in your home unless you want teh… 9 13838 Scientists have used random matrix theory to demonstrate theoretically that the neutrino mass hierarchy can be explained mathematically. When a substance is fragmented… 21 20639 7 11929 |