Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry 1 Jan 13, 2013 7:27 pm Hi guys - first post here. We bought a house a year ago and stretchted ourselves a little to get something a bit better. We did all the right things, building inspections, approval searches etc. 3 months after buying I did a bit of investigation around a small water 'weep' under the bathroom shower tray. One thing led to another and I popped a few times off in the recess only to find the walls full on fungating mould: This timber floor (19mm hardwood over 19mm compressed chipboard flooring) has been removed to just the joists: We didnt have the $15k to pay someone to do the work so I ripped out the bathroom, floor, floor sheeting, walls, lining - everything and we moved to another end of the house. I now need to build the bathroom myself. I have renovated before but have never done a bathroom. I have no choice but to do it myself. If money permits I might be able to pay a tiler later on. But for the meantime I need to decide on a shower base style. I have spoken to the guys at Wet-Seal and they can do me a hobbed style base to suit my dimensions. I have also looked at the Marbletrend tile trays that would leave me with a flush floor from bathroom into the shower recess. I like the idea of a flush floor but if it is too risky (future water leaking) I would be happy with the hobbed shower recess. Has anyone here used the Marbletrend tile tray ? Are there any other styles/brands of tray systems ? I have pulled the floor out to floor joist level and I have the Scyon 19mm compressed floor sheeting just sitting in there at the moment - I am just waiting to work out if I need to recess anything before I fix it down. The intention was to then lay a tile underlay over that and screw it down at 100mm centres. Any ideas would be appreciated. Re: Horror bathroom 2Jan 13, 2013 8:28 pm ilium007... sorry I am unable to answer your question re shower bases etc. But just another question - how long ago was the bathroom renovated - do you know? If inside of 7 yrs (possibly 10 - there seems to be some confusion), you may still have recourse with the previous owner or builder who did the work? We bought our house 2yrs ago (an old weatherboard) but the bathroom (entire house in fact) had just been fully renovated. We have since had issues with a leak and we are taking it up with the previous owner - who himself, was the owner builder on the renovations. It's been a long drawn out process and we still battling it out - but bottom line is - he is responsible! Anyway, not sure if any of this would apply to you/your house/your circumstances, but just mentioning it in case the renovations on your house are recent (or if in fact the house itself was built within the last 7yrs) - because if so, you might have some recourse with the previous owner or builder. It seems a lot of people aren't aware of this - and not only that - a lot of people try to steer you off course in terms of what your rights are and what the previous owners (or builders) obligations are. Good luck with your repair. Oh, and just for the record, everyone we speak to about this issue warns us how important it is to waterproof properly - and how it is one of the few building processes that requires 110% perfection to prevent leaks (one of the most common post building problems). So whatever you do, do make sure you get this done properly when redoing yours. Like I said, can't help with the shower base issue, but feel free to PM me to discuss further if you like. HHCIB Re: Horror bathroom 3Jan 13, 2013 8:38 pm This really is not that hard a job. You have already completed most of the hard work. I would continue a bit further though and remove those damaged floorboards with the rot in them. In will be false economy not to remove them now. I would also check your subfloor to be certain. All the tiles in that area and the sheeting removed. i really may be easier to gut the bathroom almost and start from scratch as matching thee tiles may be very hard. Once that is done it's not really that hard. A standard polymarble or similar base will be fine. If all that is solid, you just need to continue as though building a new bathroom. I would waterproof under the base and up under the new villaboard walls. Put your new base in place, tile and showerscreens and your done. Simple! Take your time, do it properly and you will not have a problem and save thousands on doing it yourself. Just have a plumber to install all the connections, so you know that part is right. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Horror bathroom 4Jan 14, 2013 6:54 am How Hard Can it Be ilium007... sorry I am unable to answer your question re shower bases etc. But just another question - how long ago was the bathroom renovated - do you know? If inside of 7 yrs (possibly 10 - there seems to be some confusion), you may still have recourse with the previous owner or builder who did the work? We bought our house 2yrs ago (an old weatherboard) but the bathroom (entire house in fact) had just been fully renovated. We have since had issues with a leak and we are taking it up with the previous owner - who himself, was the owner builder on the renovations. It's been a long drawn out process and we still battling it out - but bottom line is - he is responsible! Anyway, not sure if any of this would apply to you/your house/your circumstances, but just mentioning it in case the renovations on your house are recent (or if in fact the house itself was built within the last 7yrs) - because if so, you might have some recourse with the previous owner or builder. It seems a lot of people aren't aware of this - and not only that - a lot of people try to steer you off course in terms of what your rights are and what the previous owners (or builders) obligations are. Good luck with your repair. Oh, and just for the record, everyone we speak to about this issue warns us how important it is to waterproof properly - and how it is one of the few building processes that requires 110% perfection to prevent leaks (one of the most common post building problems). So whatever you do, do make sure you get this done properly when redoing yours. Like I said, can't help with the shower base issue, but feel free to PM me to discuss further if you like. HHCIB Thanks for the response. We went to the QBSA here in QLD only to be old there was nothing they could do after 6 years had passed. We also looked to mount an action against the builder but we were told that the likelihood of success was slim and it would be better to just spend the money on the bathroom. Its terrible people can get away with building like this. Re: Horror bathroom 5Jan 14, 2013 6:58 am delatite13 This really is not that hard a job. You have already completed most of the hard work. I would continue a bit further though and remove those damaged floorboards with the rot in them. In will be false economy not to remove them now. I would also check your subfloor to be certain. All the tiles in that area and the sheeting removed. i really may be easier to gut the bathroom almost and start from scratch as matching thee tiles may be very hard. Once that is done it's not really that hard. A standard polymarble or similar base will be fine. If all that is solid, you just need to continue as though building a new bathroom. I would waterproof under the base and up under the new villaboard walls. Put your new base in place, tile and showerscreens and your done. Simple! Take your time, do it properly and you will not have a problem and save thousands on doing it yourself. Just have a plumber to install all the connections, so you know that part is right. Thanks for the response. I will get some updated pics but yes, I have pulled it all out to floor joists. I have the 19mm Scyon tongue and groove flooring ready to go in ( just sitting there at the moment covering the two story drop to the ground underneath !). I started looking into the shower trays again last night. I am still tossing up whether to get WetSeal to make a hobbed shower recess or go with a pre formed tray with falls and everything built in. I saw the showerco brand last night which looked very interesting, I can have a level entry shower using this method. Re: Horror bathroom 6Jan 14, 2013 8:01 am Why do you need or want a shower tray? I have two upstairs bathrooms. We fitted waterproof flooring and then covered ithe walls and floors in 3 coats of waterproofing membriane. I then used sickaflex(spelling?) in all the corners to give it a really flexiable seal. The 30-40mm think cement tile base was then laid to give correct falls and then finally the tiles were laid. All corner joints in the tiles were grouted with silicone. This photo is out downstairs bathroom. Both upstairs bathrooms dont have shower doors, just one screen. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Horror bathroom 7Jan 14, 2013 8:08 am CuttingEdgeKitchens Why do you need or want a shower tray? I have two upstairs bathrooms. We fitted waterproof flooring and then covered ithe walls and floors in 3 coats of waterproofing membriane. I then used sickaflex(spelling?) in all the corners to give it a really flexiable seal. The 30-40mm think cement tile base was then laid to give correct falls and then finally the tiles were laid. All corner joints in the tiles were grouted with silicone. This photo is out downstairs bathroom. Both upstairs bathrooms dont have shower doors, just one screen. That looks great ! The reason I am looking at pre-formed trays is because I dont have the confidence that I could pull off what you have done. Re: Horror bathroom 8Jan 14, 2013 8:22 am We had a problem in one of ours years ago. I wondered why we couldn't get some sort of plastic tray type shower - a bit like you find in some hotels overseas. But the guy did a fibre glass floor process - said it was the best way - and it lasted at least until we moved on - 10 years ? Apparently it has to be done in stages and done properly !!!! Re: Horror bathroom 9Jan 14, 2013 8:25 am Saint Mike We had a problem in one of ours years ago. I wondered why we couldn't get some sort of plastic tray type shower - a bit like you find in some hotels overseas. But the guy did a fibre glass floor process - said it was the best way - and it lasted at least until we moved on - 10 years ? Apparently it has to be done in stages and done properly !!!! Yeah, my parents had a fiberglass one done years ago. These days they use polyurethane based membrane products - I guess these materials have come a long way in the last 20 years. Re: Horror bathroom 10Jan 14, 2013 9:59 am ilium007 [ That looks great ! The reason I am looking at pre-formed trays is because I dont have the confidence that I could pull off what you have done. There are professionals that only waterproof. You could put the floor and walls in, then get a pro in to waterproof? This is my upstairs bathrrom with a bit of work still to do. http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/VTSS350/IMG_1208.jpg Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Horror bathroom 11Jan 14, 2013 10:09 am CuttingEdgeKitchens There are professionals that only waterproof. You could put the floor and walls in, then get a pro in to waterproof? Yeah - that is the plan, but laying a falling floor with a screed mix scares me. This would usually go on after the waterproofing - possibility of messing up a lot of previous effort. The Australian standard does not specify a floor waste in the bathroom (outside or shower recess) if the basin has an overflow built in. I am contemplating a flat floor (with a puddle flange) but I still dont know what is supposed to happen with water that may make it through the tiles/grout when it hits the membrane. Where does it go ? If there is no fall on the floor will it just sit there? Re: Horror bathroom 12Jan 14, 2013 12:16 pm You do all your drainage work under the floor first with a 100mm pipe coming up through the floor. You then cut this flush with the top of the flooring - usually compressed fibro. You do all your wall sheeting and install a metal angle at the door to the finished floor height. Then you use a waterproofing membrane to do all the floor and 200mm up the wall ( 2000mm in the shower area ) tucking the waterproofing compound down into the floor waste 50mm or so. You give this three coats depending on your waterproofing product and then you are ready to tile. If you go to the Hardies website or one of the other big manufacturers , there are usually pdf's to download that show this in more detail.
Then you do your sand cement screed and tile over the top with your falls all going to the floor waste. Any water that goes through the grout lines should eventually still go to the floor waste. Stewie Re: Horror bathroom 13Jan 14, 2013 12:19 pm Stewie D You do all your drainage work under the floor first with a 100mm pipe coming up through the floor. You then cut this flush with the top of the flooring - usually compressed fibro. You do all your wall sheeting and install a metal angle at the door to the finished floor height. Then you use a waterproofing membrane to do all the floor and 200mm up the wall ( 2000mm in the shower area ) tucking the waterproofing compound down into the floor waste 50mm or so. You give this three coats depending on your waterproofing product and then you are ready to tile. If you go to the Hardies website or one of the other big manufacturers , there are usually pdf's to download that show this in more detail. Then you do your sand cement screed and tile over the top with your falls all going to the floor waste. Stewie Cool - I was looking on National Tiles website earlier. There seems to be a lot of conversation around screed on top of or under waterproof membrane. Seems to be common to do it as you say, on top of membrane. Re: Horror bathroom 14Jan 14, 2013 2:41 pm ilium007 Stewie D You do all your drainage work under the floor first with a 100mm pipe coming up through the floor. You then cut this flush with the top of the flooring - usually compressed fibro. You do all your wall sheeting and install a metal angle at the door to the finished floor height. Then you use a waterproofing membrane to do all the floor and 200mm up the wall ( 2000mm in the shower area ) tucking the waterproofing compound down into the floor waste 50mm or so. You give this three coats depending on your waterproofing product and then you are ready to tile. If you go to the Hardies website or one of the other big manufacturers , there are usually pdf's to download that show this in more detail. Then you do your sand cement screed and tile over the top with your falls all going to the floor waste. Stewie Cool - I was looking on National Tiles website earlier. There seems to be a lot of conversation around screed on top of or under waterproof membrane. Seems to be common to do it as you say, on top of membrane. Stewie is spot on. That is the best way of doing it. If your smart you can use a strip drain in the shower and fall even the main floor back to it. Because its a long strip you dont have to worry about 4 way falls in the shower area! Its actually very easy to do! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Horror bathroom 15Feb 26, 2013 10:28 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens This is my upstairs bathrrom with a bit of work still to do. http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/VTSS350/IMG_1208.jpg I like those floor tiles, could you tell me what they are called? And what colour grout did you use? Re: Horror bathroom 16Feb 27, 2013 6:47 am They came from Archiland building Supplies 02 9740 4989 in Roselands The name of the tile is Sonara Grey. We used grey grout. We also used those tiles as a feature wall in our ensuite. I love the way it looks! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Horror bathroom 17Feb 27, 2013 12:17 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens They came from Archiland building Supplies 02 9740 4989 in Roselands The name of the tile is Sonara Grey. We used grey grout. We also used those tiles as a feature wall in our ensuite. I love the way it looks! Thanks a lot Re: Horror bathroom 18Mar 18, 2013 10:52 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens ilium007 [ That looks great ! The reason I am looking at pre-formed trays is because I dont have the confidence that I could pull off what you have done. There are professionals that only waterproof. You could put the floor and walls in, then get a pro in to waterproof? This is my upstairs bathrrom with a bit of work still to do. http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/VTSS350/IMG_1208.jpg that looks like a ascot dolce freestanding bath? how far have you set it from the side and end walls? 100ml? Re: Horror bathroom 20Mar 30, 2013 10:56 pm Hi guys - it's been a little while but I have now purchased all the gear to do this job, vanity, taps, mixes etc. I have come up with this design: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I am going to be using 2 Bemuda tile grates; one in the shower the other in the main part of the ensuite. I am not sure about tiles but I am going to go to Beaumonts next week and have a look at what they have. The thing that I am not sure about is the water stop along (under) the fixed glass pane. I have seen showers where you can see the top of the aluminum strip, but I thought the idea was that the top of the strip sit proud of the tile surface to avoid water getting out. I have also seen this type of shower: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Then there is this waterstop product: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ It is marketed as being better than the 'normal' 50mm aluminum angle strip. I am after some ideas on how I do the water proofing in the shower area. I am going to be getting wetseal guys to do the waterproofing but I need some pointers on what I need to get done before they arrive. Has anyone used the Gleda 'Waterstop Streamline' product ? If I do the step down shower (which I am leaning toward) is it just 50mm aluminum angle ? I assume that this angle that would run wall to wall along the edge of the shower recess would be be same as runs across the doorway ? Render your bathroom walls, two opinions versus the one, makes you wonder. 3 6104 Hi Geoff Install Puddle Flange prior to any screed. Puddle flange needs to be flush with the surface so you may need to grind away the surface to achieve this. Also as… 2 8407 Hello It is good to have a planned bathroom reno to suit your budget and design, living for 10 years I think you need a bathtub 4 10440 |