Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Roof frame blunder 2Nov 24, 2012 12:29 pm Liliana When our frame went up there was some confusion about the roof framing to the facade of the house. The builder built it like this: http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/lilianac1/IMG_2317.jpg when it was supposed to be like this: http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/lilianac1/IMG_2368.jpg The builder says that the designer made a mistake in her terminology. Her notes say: "solid hardwood to exposed porch truss and posts" and he reckons she should have said "pitched roof". But to me it looks as if the front gable seems to be missing the eaves as well. Apart from the elevations there don't seem to be any other instructions, just a roof beam layout plan from the engineer. Are there any carpenters out there who can tell me whether the builder was right to be confused. The eaves to the front are absent, and the eaves to the sides are an afterthought add-on. The plans as drawn would show the requirement. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Roof frame blunder 4Nov 24, 2012 1:32 pm Liliana Hi Ed, Thanks for the reply. When you say "plans", do you mean the elevations? because there were no roof truss plans. Both the plans (construction drawings) and elevations tell your carpenter in pictures, how to build the house. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Roof frame blunder 6Nov 24, 2012 2:55 pm Sorry I can't because they are copyright to the building designer. The front and side elevations clearly show eaves though. The only part that may be open to interpretation is how the underside of the porch roof is to be handled but in his first attempt I can't see any "solid hardwood" trusses or posts. Re: Roof frame blunder 7Nov 24, 2012 4:25 pm Liliana Sorry I can't because they are copyright to the building designer. The front and side elevations clearly show eaves though. The only part that may be open to interpretation is how the underside of the porch roof is to be handled but in his first attempt I can't see any "solid hardwood" trusses or posts. You can post the relevant detail as long as you attribute authorship and don't publish a substantial part of your plans, especially for review. Get a building inspector... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Roof frame blunder 8Nov 24, 2012 5:01 pm Okay, well this should be enough to give you an idea. http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s518/lilianac1/DSC01564.jpg Re: Roof frame blunder 9Nov 24, 2012 7:45 pm There are actual frame and roof plans. I got them directly from the co. who manufactured our frames and trusses (or whatever they are called). I originally asked for this from my CSO, but she told me they dont have it and to go to the mfr. I think she probably gave me the co. name or their number as well, not sure, OR maybe I saw the name on the delivered frames ... Anyway, can you try doing the same?? And then, if still unclear, get someone to look and compare. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Roof frame blunder 10Nov 24, 2012 7:52 pm Hi Lex,
I know that the way the frame has ended up is the way it is supposed to be. It's more that the builder said that the designer made a mistake with her drawings and that it wasn't his fault he had to re-do the roof frame at the front. I was just wondering whether the drawings he was given were really misleading or not. Re: Roof frame blunder 13Nov 25, 2012 7:47 am Yes, yours is not built as drawn... I think they forgot to do the eaves. Maybe the house type comes with and without eaves and the truss manufacturer used the wrong plans. If you look at the side elevation roof you can see the eaves project past the wall, but not on your home. And the side (& porch) eaves on your home... how will they fit your tiles on that dog-leg afterthought? Let's hope they supply the casement windows as drawn.. IMO PM building-expert.... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Roof frame blunder 14Nov 25, 2012 8:52 am Hi again Ed,
The building designer made the builder re-do the front frame so that it was correct (that's how I have the two pictures to compare) but the builder has always maintained that it was the wrong terminology on the designer's part that caused the mistake and that he shouldn't have had to pay for it. The house is now finished and I have had Building Expert out to see it as it happens and I am chasing the builder over some other issues to do with drainage and not supplying items as per contract. He is likely to bring up again in his defense that he should be compensated for having to do the front frame twice and I just wanted somebody else's opinion on whether he is justified in claiming this or not. Re: Roof frame blunder 15Nov 25, 2012 11:34 am Liliana Hi again Ed, The building designer made the builder re-do the front frame so that it was correct (that's how I have the two pictures to compare) but the builder has always maintained that it was the wrong terminology on the designer's part that caused the mistake and that he shouldn't have had to pay for it. The house is now finished and I have had Building Expert out to see it as it happens and I am chasing the builder over some other issues to do with drainage and not supplying items as per contract. He is likely to bring up again in his defense that he should be compensated for having to do the front frame twice and I just wanted somebody else's opinion on whether he is justified in claiming this or not. I'm pretty convinced now that he just mucked it up like he mucked up our foundations and then claimed the designer got the site levels wrong. Well, the builder should have seen that the elevations and the trusses as built are in conflict, he could have raised it then. IMO his problem. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Roof frame blunder 16Apr 10, 2013 5:23 pm The builder is right that it should have specified "pitched" roof or at least state rafters. What he did initially put upp was trusses as stated. Also, you have me confused on the eaves question. in the top photo there was always going to be eaves on the front gable,are you saying there wasnt? This is 100% true. You can not hang anything on steel frames. very frustrating 8 10456 Its the flashing and is normal. Some builders cover them up others just leave them handing. You can cover it up with an aluminium bracket or ask the builder. 7 11859 Hi, We have a single story MacDonald Jones house, on a waffle pod slab with steel frame. Are we able to build a second story extension? Other info is we are 900mm from… 0 9306 |