Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 62Apr 03, 2012 7:43 am Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 65Aug 21, 2012 7:28 am Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 66Aug 21, 2012 7:30 am Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 68Aug 22, 2012 6:27 pm Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 69Aug 22, 2012 9:43 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens With that look water will run into your cabinets and onto the faces of your doors. I know its a look your after and I like it but I totaly advise against it if you want to keep your kitchen clean and without water problems! You need a minimium of 15-20mm overhang to avoid water issues. Actually, I want that look, and an overhang of 3-5 millimeter is enough. The drawers won't look exactly like that, though, they will have a little slant outward on the top. I don't have pictures of that, since I lifted that photo from a kitchen manufacturer's site. I am even considering having dark concrete fronts, but I'll probably revert to white washed oak before I finally choose. If I read you correctly, you seem to want huge overhangs as well as band-aids of plastic strips, resulting in even more height between top of drawers and bottom of the bench top. Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 70Aug 23, 2012 11:28 pm Danois. CEK is simple telling you how it works. When you build cabinets for a living you have a fair idea what works and what doesn't I build my kitchens exactly as he described. Some clients desire a certain look and if that is what they want then that is what they get. That doesn't mean it is necessarily the best way to build them. Some clients are happy to take form over function, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's just with a little forethought you can usually have both. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 71Aug 23, 2012 11:34 pm Chippy, I'm not saying no overhang. I'm saying close to no overhang. You don't need 25mm of overhang as well as plastic strips to not have things dripping into the cabinet. It's a matter of design. Hell, I could have a 1 mm strip welded on, if I wanted, and that would stop water dripping onto the top if it was a mere 3 mm out from the front of the cupboards. It doesn't take a genius to work that out. Edit: In fact, what I will do is take a grinder and makea groove on the inside wide enough so the water can't catch the other side of it by surface tension. The groove well start a couple of millimetres from the edge, and be a 10mm wide, 3-4mm deep. I'm a bit miffed about you suggesting I take form over function, while saying that he's doing it right. I mean, he's suggesting that a rounded lower edge is a-okay, and to make up for that with huge overhangs and plastic. Seriously, I don't go buy things on looks alone, and I never trust a "tradesperson" to automatically have the best solution. They usually have the easiest and/or cheapest (to them) solution. Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 72Aug 23, 2012 11:45 pm The picture you posted would have water issues. Cohesion and capillary action would see to that even if the top overhung 3mm. As I said, with a little forethought can get you the look you want while lessening the issues, your welded strip idea proves that. The drip groove in laminate tops is not a plastic strip but a groove in the underside of the bench. It can't be seen. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 73Aug 24, 2012 12:03 am chippy The picture you posted would have water issues. Yes, but I have already posted several times that I'd have a little overhang. That is not my kitchen, and I can't work with CAD programmes, so that was the closest I could get to show how I wanted it. Quote: Cohesion and capillary action would see to that even if the top overhung 3mm. No it won't. You need two very close surfaces to have capillary action and the top o the drawers aren't close enough to the bottom of the bench top to do that. As for cohesion, I already told you how the front is not rounded (so the water wont accelarate inwards, and that a solution to make cohesion even less of a problem would be to cut a groove on the inside (which will work on the same principle as a plastic drip strip, only much more elegant). Quote: As I said, with a little forethought can get you the look you want while lessening the issues, your welded strip idea proves that. Yup, and so does the groove. I think about these things, but of course forget some things also. Quote: The drip groove in laminate tops is not a plastic strip but a groove in the underside of the bench. It can't be seen. I see, I misread "groove" for "strip" in his post. Nonetheless, my groove or even that welded lip of sorts, will do the same. Generally, if you have rounded edges, you will certainly need a bigger groove than on something with square edges, because on a rounded edge, the water will not only accelerate downwards, but inwards as well. Speaking of water: the cabinets themselves will all be wallhung, so no kickboard and no legs. Easy clean up, and I can have a drain under the cupboards without having to walk/stand on one. Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 74Aug 24, 2012 12:15 am Danois Chippy, I'm not saying no overhang. I'm saying close to no overhang. You don't need 25mm of overhang as well as plastic strips to not have things dripping into the cabinet. It's a matter of design. Hell, I could have a 1 mm strip welded on, if I wanted, and that would stop water dripping onto the top if it was a mere 3 mm out from the front of the cupboards. It doesn't take a genius to work that out. Edit: In fact, what I will do is take a grinder and makea groove on the inside wide enough so the water can't catch the other side of it by surface tension. The groove well start a couple of millimetres from the edge, and be a 10mm wide, 3-4mm deep. I'm a bit miffed about you suggesting I take form over function, while saying that he's doing it right. I mean, he's suggesting that a rounded lower edge is a-okay, and to make up for that with huge overhangs and plastic. Seriously, I don't go buy things on looks alone, and I never trust a "tradesperson" to automatically have the best solution. They usually have the easiest and/or cheapest (to them) solution. Actually it is usually the client that wants things done as cheaply as possible. As a tradesman I take a lot of pride in my work and love it when a client wants something different to the typical run of the mill job. I simply discuss the pro's and con's of various options and the client chooses what they want. I then give them a quote based on that. Easiness and price have no bearing at all on what I offer. The kitchen you have shown is not a standard kitchen and will cost over and above what a standard kitchen would cost (and what most people are prepared to pay). My own kitchen has cupboards that are flush with our tops . I have it because I like that look. We've had no real issues with water in our cupboards but we are fairly careful not to slop things around and if we do have a spill it's cleaned up quickly. Having said that I know that if one of the kids knocks over a glass then we will be emptying our drawers and cupboards to clean them out as the liquid will get back inside the cupboards. I have chosen form over function. I was aware of this possible issue but built my kitchen like it because that was the look we wanted. I guess the point of my post was to say that sometimes people in the trade KNOW what they are talking about. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 75Aug 24, 2012 12:28 am Danois I completely agree. The best way to make a choice is to be educated as to why one choice is better/worse than the other, rather than a stupid sales pitch or emotional appeals (which often coincides). Unfortunately, not many people trying to sell you something know anything about the product, let alone pros and cons of the various design aspects. I think CEK and myself (people who know about our products) were merely trying to educate about the pro's and con's of various design aspects. That is what you wanted isn't it. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 76Aug 25, 2012 5:05 pm Danois [Actually, I want that look, and an overhang of 3-5 millimeter is enough. If I read you correctly, you seem to want huge overhangs as well as band-aids of plastic strips, resulting in even more height between top of drawers and bottom of the bench top. Wow where are you coming from and whats with "band-aid plastic strips". Sounds like you have no idea! If you purchase a kitchen with a laminate top it should have a drip grove rebated into the underside of the top. Its a piece of plastic 2mm square and doesnt stick out at all. It was designed to stop the water going any further and to drop harmlessly onto the floor. It doesnt add anymore height to your kitchen or bottom of the bench top. I am not sure where you got that idea from. 15-20mm is not a huge over hang!!!! Its INDUSTRY STANDARD!!!! 3-5mm is not enough. If you were my customer I would suggest that it wasnt enought to stop the water getting into the cabinets and drawer fronts. If you still wanted it I would be happy to build it for you but wouldnt warrenty the kitchen against water damage! I have over 20 years in the industry and build a quality product. Why would I give you poor advice. The info I am giving is accurate and how most in the industry do it. Go for your 3-5mm overhangs they look good but dont function well!!! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 77Oct 25, 2012 7:05 pm The answer to your question really needs to start with the price and then secondly the lifespan of the kitchen your looking for. I've read a lot of discussion and responses about the type of board or substrate that you should be looking for. Whilst this is an important aspect (most use MRMDF board) the real finish quality will be determined by the type finish. There are numerous options with regards to the finish such as two pac paint, low pressure laminate (pre decorated board), high pressure laminate. There are several recent news articles that relate to the benefits of all materials which can be found at www.surfacesquared.com.au/latest-news Most commercial fit-outs looking for extended lifespan generally apply a high pressure laminate as the durability is far better that two pac paint or low pressure decorative board. This high pressure laminate is the same material that your mum and dad would have had on their kitchen bench 30 years ago. Today it's used for doors, bench tops and numerous other applications. The laminate colour choice is vast with over 1200 decors available in Australia. Take a look at http://www.surfacesquared.com.au for more information. Good luck Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 78Oct 25, 2012 8:47 pm SurfaceSquared The answer to your question really needs to start with the price and then secondly the lifespan of the kitchen your looking for. I've read a lot of discussion and responses about the type of board or substrate that you should be looking for. Whilst this is an important aspect (most use MRMDF board) the real finish quality will be determined by the type finish. There are numerous options with regards to the finish such as two pac paint, low pressure laminate (pre decorated board), high pressure laminate. There are several recent news articles that relate to the benefits of all materials which can be found at www.surfacesquared.com.au/latest-news Most commercial fit-outs looking for extended lifespan generally apply a high pressure laminate as the durability is far better that two pac paint or low pressure decorative board. This high pressure laminate is the same material that your mum and dad would have had on their kitchen bench 30 years ago. Today it's used for doors, bench tops and numerous other applications. The laminate colour choice is vast with over 1200 decors available in Australia. Take a look at http://www.surfacesquared.com.au for more information. Good luck Very interesting Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 79Oct 29, 2012 4:50 pm SurfaceSquared Most commercial fit-outs looking for extended lifespan generally apply a high pressure laminate as the durability is far better that two pac paint or low pressure decorative board. This high pressure laminate is the same material that your mum and dad would have had on their kitchen bench 30 years ago. Today it's used for doors, bench tops and numerous other applications. The laminate colour choice is vast with over 1200 decors available in Australia. Take a look at http://www.surfacesquared.com.au for more information. Good luck I wouldnt rate high pressure laminate doors as durabile! Square edge laminate chips very easily which makes the doors look terriable. Have a look at your local medical centre, the doors that are used all the time have chips on the edges. Its great as a bench top becuase it usually has a post formed round on the top and bottom edge which stops it from chipping. I would go as far as saying I would never never sugest fully laminated kitchen doors! They look like a medical centre and they have no scope for design like a two pac or vinyl wrapped door. Laminate cannot be repaired where two pac can. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: What makes cabinets good quality? What questions to ask? 80Feb 28, 2013 11:36 am for me solid wood on moving parts. I hate particle board on moving parts... it wears out faster. I don't mind it for paneling. Budget permitting of course Ardo That is so funny! I wonder how many people know who Larry Haun is these days. I have a couple of young guys we call Mo 1 & Mo 2 who run a crew of 6 boys and… 9 15798 I work with owner, he/she is my man on the ground and I instruct them when to visit the site and take photos and I have other tools in the bag. 4 15801 You can really use anything you want the main consideration would be how it looks once painted/finished - or the look you want. Cabinetmakers use MDF because its cheap… 2 10401 |