Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: New kitchen design problem 2Nov 25, 2011 8:51 pm The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: New kitchen design problem 5Nov 26, 2011 7:13 am thank you for the responses...does anyone know how much door runners usually cost for the certain weight categories...on average? Also, the cabinet maker said having 3 wide drawers on top of each other ( 2 x pots/pans and 1 for utensils/mugs) will be useless as we wouldnt be abl to fit anything in them....what are usually the required standard heights of these drawers? Re: New kitchen design problem 6Nov 26, 2011 7:29 am cbboyz thank you for the responses...does anyone know how much door runners usually cost for the certain weight categories...on average? Also, the cabinet maker said having 3 wide drawers on top of each other ( 2 x pots/pans and 1 for utensils/mugs) will be useless as we wouldnt be abl to fit anything in them....what are usually the required standard heights of these drawers? It sounds like he use cheap and nasty hardware andonly wants to do easy jobs. Roller shutters take some time and effort but once installed will work well for 10+ years!!! If you use blum heavy duty softclose runners the drawer can hold 60kgs!!! The drawer configuration I prefer is a 180mm top drawer for utensils/mugs and then 2 pot drawers below. I have made pot drawers up to 1100mm wide and never had any problems. Infact I have never had a blum drawer runner fail in any of my kitchens in the last 15years! Seriously do not use him if you can avoid it. Shop around and find someone that can help you. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: New kitchen design problem 7Nov 26, 2011 8:04 am Quote: It sounds like he use cheap and nasty hardware andonly wants to do easy jobs. Roller shutters take some time and effort but once installed will work well for 10+ years!!! If you use blum heavy duty softclose runners the drawer can hold 60kgs!!! The drawer configuration I prefer is a 180mm top drawer for utensils/mugs and then 2 pot drawers below. I have made pot drawers up to 1100mm wide and never had any problems. Infact I have never had a blum drawer runner fail in any of my kitchens in the last 15years! I agree, i think cabinet maker is trying to take the easy road...But as its the builders cabinet maker i dont like the chances of being able to shop around as its in our building contract which has an allowance for the kitchen. What size should the pot drawers be? Im contemplating buying the hardware myself if I cant change cabinet makers...any suggestions where i can get the right hardware at a reasonable price? Re: New kitchen design problem 8Nov 26, 2011 8:25 am The drawers here are 700mm wide because I like things to be symmetrical and that size worked best. The top drawers are 150mm deep and used for cutlery, cooking utensils and lunch wraps/Gladwrap etc, then the 2 x lower drawers in each stack are 320mm deep and store dinnerware, saucepans, frypans, cakepans etc, one even has tinned food where the tins are stored on their side so it's easy to see at a quick glance what's there before going to the supermarket. Can't help where to buy Blum runners I've bought cheaper ones from Bunnings for other projects but in the kitchen I insisted on Blum due to the fact they get more use and you don't want them failing anytime soon. Not sure where you are located but maybe give a local cabinet maker a call and ask if he will sell Blum runners...he can only say no!! Re: New kitchen design problem 9Nov 26, 2011 9:15 am cbboyz Quote: I agree, i think cabinet maker is trying to take the easy road...But as its the builders cabinet maker i dont like the chances of being able to shop around as its in our building contract which has an allowance for the kitchen. What size should the pot drawers be? Im contemplating buying the hardware myself if I cant change cabinet makers...any suggestions where i can get the right hardware at a reasonable price? Pot drawers 700-1000wide works well 180mm top drawer and then 2 equal below. I say 180mm top drawer because a standard cabinet hight divided by 4 drawers = 4x180mm. Some people will actually have 1 set of 4 drawers and the rest as 3. With a 180mm top drawer everything lines up. Dont worry about changing his mind. Just tell him what you want. If you want black and gold coloured doors what does it matter if he doesnt like it. He is there to build it for you. If you want a roller shutter and 900mm wide pot drawers then your entitled to them. Remember the customer is always right! You could also have the kitchen deisgned and speced by someone else and then hand him the plans and say "build it" Where do you live? Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: New kitchen design problem 10Nov 26, 2011 10:22 am I have 6 drawers at 900 wide as my breakfast bar is 1800 wide 2 of mine house Tupperware...love that it doesn't fall on my head anymore from an over head cupboard! Tell the cabinetmaker to suck it up, give you what you want and insist on Blum stuff And no cutting corners or you will be 'taking it further'! Not just an on line forum..... Re: New kitchen design problem 11Nov 26, 2011 12:05 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens 180mm top drawer and then 2 equal below. I say 180mm top drawer because a standard cabinet hight divided by 4 drawers = 4x180mm. Some people will actually have 1 set of 4 drawers and the rest as 3. With a 180mm top drawer everything lines up. Sorry CEK, just thought I'd clarify this will depend on where in Aus you live. The standard kitchen benchtop heights vary from the east coast to the west coast, so for anyone building in WA (and perhaps some other states?) the standard height is 943mm, making the cupboard front 823mm with a 120mm kick, so anyone with that benchtop height would need to bear this in mind if equally dividing up the drawer heights and wanting it to line up Re: New kitchen design problem 12Nov 26, 2011 3:50 pm CA3105 CuttingEdgeKitchens 180mm top drawer and then 2 equal below. I say 180mm top drawer because a standard cabinet hight divided by 4 drawers = 4x180mm. Some people will actually have 1 set of 4 drawers and the rest as 3. With a 180mm top drawer everything lines up. Sorry CEK, just thought I'd clarify this will depend on where in Aus you live. The standard kitchen benchtop heights vary from the east coast to the west coast, so for anyone building in WA (and perhaps some other states?) the standard height is 943mm, making the cupboard front 823mm with a 120mm kick, so anyone with that benchtop height would need to bear this in mind if equally dividing up the drawer heights and wanting it to line up No problems. Bench heights vary. I have done kitchens between 750high upto 1000mm high! Standard is between 910-920 in NSW. So I am working on a 920 bench height with a 40mm top and 140mm kick. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: New kitchen design problem 13Nov 26, 2011 7:52 pm cbboyz, we have a roller shutter on our bench and its been there 8 years with no problems at all. Bench height does vary. Our last three houses have been 950, 1000, 1000 respectively. If your taller at all its is so much more comfortable. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: New kitchen design problem 14Nov 27, 2011 1:29 pm our bench is 940mm, and I am 5 ft 7 and I find it perfect ( we have a 100mm bench included in that 940) Re: New kitchen design problem 15Nov 27, 2011 8:22 pm In my last house, we renovated the kitchen 12 years ago. I had 27 drawers and not once did a drawer even come off the runner I dont know what mechanism they used, but it was a whole metal side. I put everything in them, 6 drawers housed food, heavy cans, bags of potatoes etc. Oh and I had 8 glass doors, with glass shelves inside each of them, no problems holding heavy glasses etc Push your kitchen builder to get what you want, I cant believe that a kitchen builder could say those things, I hope you get your dream kitchen Re: New kitchen design problem 16Nov 27, 2011 8:28 pm My parents have had drawers for crockery/pots/appliances in their kitchen for 20 years and haven't had a problem at all! Good luck with getting what you want! You are the one that has to live with your kitchen!! Our building thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=51657 Re: New kitchen design problem 17Nov 28, 2011 9:09 am Ok I have spent the past 2 days researching my options...after speaking to a few cabinet makers have been told to stick to Blum or Hettich soft close runners. If i purchase these myself they will set me back about $100 per drawer...Not sure if my cabinet maker can get them cheaper. The roller door will be about $600 for approx 600mm opening. Do these prices sound right? As for the bench height, I think its will be approx 900mm...I was told to do the pot drawers at 270mm and the top drawer at 180mm, so with a bench top of 40mm and kicker 140mm I think it would be about 900mm..Anyone think it should be higher? The next dilema Im having is the empty space above the over head cupboards. My ceiling height is 3.4m abd I plan on dropping the ceiling above the kicthen about 300-400mm Which would leave me with a ceiling height of approx 3m. Should I put a bulk head above the cupboards, which means there will be about 600mm of empty space, possibly even more as im not sure what height the top of the cupboarsd will be. Reason Im thinking bulk head is I dont want people seeing dust build up above the cupboards coming down the stairs near the kitchen. ANy suggestions? Re: New kitchen design problem 18Nov 28, 2011 4:37 pm How tall are you? This has alot to do with how high I build my benches. I would build the kitchen at 2.4-2.5meters high and build a plaster board bulkhead above. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: New kitchen design problem 19Nov 28, 2011 6:43 pm cbboyz Ok I have spent the past 2 days researching my options...after speaking to a few cabinet makers have been told to stick to Blum or Hettich soft close runners. If i purchase these myself they will set me back about $100 per drawer...Not sure if my cabinet maker can get them cheaper. The roller door will be about $600 for approx 600mm opening. Do these prices sound right? As for the bench height, I think its will be approx 900mm...I was told to do the pot drawers at 270mm and the top drawer at 180mm, so with a bench top of 40mm and kicker 140mm I think it would be about 900mm..Anyone think it should be higher? The next dilema Im having is the empty space above the over head cupboards. My ceiling height is 3.4m abd I plan on dropping the ceiling above the kicthen about 300-400mm Which would leave me with a ceiling height of approx 3m. Should I put a bulk head above the cupboards, which means there will be about 600mm of empty space, possibly even more as im not sure what height the top of the cupboarsd will be. Reason Im thinking bulk head is I dont want people seeing dust build up above the cupboards coming down the stairs near the kitchen. ANy suggestions? cbboyz - I've been pricing drawer runner kits today actually, and $100 per drawer sounds a little high. One of my local cabinetmaker suppliers (in Melbourne) have Grass drawer kits for about $80 per drawer. Another supplier quoted me for Hettich Innotech kits at $45-50 per drawer depending on the rated loading (30kg vs 50kg) - I have to say this sounds like a really good price. The cabbie who is doing my kitchen has quoted me Blum drawers at $70 per drawer, which I'm going to go with over the Hettich, simply because my cabbie likes to use Blum and I've had them before and loved them. I'd love to hear any feedback on average drawer costs from the other folk here at the forum though - CuttingEdgeKitchens, I imagine you're right on top of this stuff? As for glass doors, I was recently quoted $195 each for 497x720 mm plain aluminium framed doors with frosted glass - this was through Polytec. Re: New kitchen design problem 20Nov 29, 2011 6:20 am It really depends on the type of runners you want. Blum Softclose runners for malamine drawers cost around $42 per set. Blum Metabox cost around $50 per set. Blum Tandembox around $50-$70 Blum Intivo over $100 per set. These prices are just for the runners. You still need to cut a bottom and back for the drawer and then put them together. The blum intivo is quite expensive and very time consuming! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Our Bondi Greenwall was impressive from day one with advanced lush plants to provide a wow factor to this recently renovated living area. The boundary was less than 1… 0 19145 2 6184 I don’t think so as the floor area over 300 square meters then it is class 3…. 12 18219 |