Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation Re: PRE WIRING - MOVIE ROOM 4Mar 12, 2010 3:17 pm Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: PRE WIRING - MOVIE ROOM 15Mar 15, 2011 3:24 pm . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: PRE WIRING - MOVIE ROOM 17Mar 16, 2011 12:13 pm Ummm........... Ok, We'll agree to disagree on this !! As you pointed out, the (additional) cost really isn't too much of an issue, and for high-end gear it's a necessity. But as we're talking pre-wiring here, it is safe to assume that the OP will be in the house for a number of years, his tastes and budget may (will ??) change, and if not now (we are not told if he already has high-end gear) then some time in the future he may like to upgrade to a better system. Given that he has a "Movie room" and knows enough to ask about 5.1 sound and specifically mentions a sub-woofer, I figured that he might have some good gear already. I made my post suggestion regarding 12Ga cable as the OP also specifically said... "this includes all cables (not sure what type)," and I thought that he should know what sort of cables he is getting ......... Your point is taken that really cheap gear may not be physically be able to accommodate 12Ga wire, no problem, just thin out 50% of the strands at the last inch to connect into the terminals. That way he will still have the low resistance of the cable for 99.9% of the run, and assuming that the wires are not stretched to 110% of maximum capacity (I always leave 6 - 12 inches in the cavity for "Ron" ) at any time in the future he wants to upgrade all the hard work is already done for no additional cost. My thoughts, and for the minor cost savings, I know what I would do !! P_D (Opinions are like bums, everyone's got one ) . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: PRE WIRING - MOVIE ROOM 18Mar 16, 2011 12:30 pm Eoh ......What can I achieve (complete set up) on a very conservative budget of up to 10k? Rodda .......real performance sound system (AV Receiver, 5 speakers + subwoofer), consisting of proper industry leading quality brands, and still get change out of $10K....... Thinking some more, He's looking to spend 10 Big-Ones, we're agreed that he can get some decent stuff for that.................. "That's my final answer.....Lock in 12Ga Eddie" P_D EDIT: Checked out Selbys page (good call there, that's where I buy mine from ) they appear to be out of stock of 100m / 12 Ga, but on their 50m RETAIL price ("Installers, Ask about our bulk wholesale rates") the difference for their 16Ga Vs 12Ga is $40 / 50m. 50m wouldn't likely be enough, say he uses a full 100m, AT RETAIL PRICES, the cost is just $80 more for materials, and $0.00 more for labour. . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: PRE WIRING - MOVIE ROOM 19Mar 17, 2011 7:28 am Fair enough that Eoh has indicated a budget that will certainly allow for a decent system. However, my opinion is based on my vast experience installing many, many different systems, and there have been as many 'cheap' ones as there have been more substantial ones (I often do installations using people's existing gear - just because people are aware of 5.1 and subwoofers does not mean they still don't go and spend less than $1000 on the entire audio system...). My disagreement was with the overall genaralisation of a minimum 12AWG wire size, and making the point that this is not wise for everyone. P.S. thinning out the strands at the end can still add an element of danger - you may not have heard of it before (I've seen it before) but it only takes one careless frayed copper wire - no matter how thin - to touch the opposite speaker terminal (+ -) and depending on the circuit protection in the amp can actually blow a channel up! Re: PRE WIRING - MOVIE ROOM 20Mar 17, 2011 8:19 am Rodda ......just because people are aware of 5.1 and subwoofers does not mean they still don't go and spend less than $1000 on the entire audio system...)......... P_D . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 We've had the offer of a short term tenant whilst waiting for CDC/DA home approval and demolition for our knock down rebuild. It would achieve a pretty low rent as it's… 0 13836 The fastest thing a builder will do is bank your cheque, those systems work perfectly with lightning speed, everything else is slow burn. Just the way it is. 1 8815 Just to makea point about this, an approach that some people have found sucessful in negotiating these rises down, Is to provide some workings to the builder, specifying… 4 81830 |