Landscape & Garden Design
Dec 06, 2010 11:38 pm
I know there are many topics on artificial turf etx but to summarise all of that I was wondering if ANYONE can tell whether this exists - cool and not so shiny??? If not what comes close. There are stacks of users on here and I would assume this is the BEST place to ask.
Re: Artificial Turf that doesnt shine and cool to touch?2
Dec 08, 2010 2:07 pm
I have seen some that doesn't look shiny and even has brown bits in it to replicate real turf. And it still looks like crap. There is compacted road base underneath this stuff, what is the point of having it? Just pave it or puts rocks/crushed rock/mulch down, looks far better. If you need it as a play area use the real stuff.
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Dec 09, 2010 12:02 am
How about spray painting a load of bark chips matt green ? Sorry, but it always seems funny to me that a discussion about plastics should be in a "landscape and garden design" forum. It'd be like talking about red fizzy drink in a wine forum.
Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves.
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Re: Artificial Turf that doesnt shine and cool to touch?5
Dec 09, 2010 8:09 am
I can understand having 'fake grass' in a small area (i.e. less than 10m2) that isn't used, but as a replacement for grass it just doesn't cut it ( ). My sister has it in the backyard and you can't walk on it or the pile is crushed, which means you need to get the maintenance people in to re-lift it. It is for show, not for use. I've seen a number of places with weeds growing in the 'fake grass' too, which defeats one of the purposes of having a supposedly low maintenance lawn.
I cannot believe that the government have approved and even promoted replacing all of the school ovals with 'fake grass' in our area. I was talking to someone about it and I said how sad I thought it was, and then he commented that at least it is constant and reliable for sporting events. Which it may be, but it is plastic! I used to love sitting on the school oval at lunch time, and although it wasn't constantly covered and always green, at least it was alive. Ok, now I'm totally off topic - sorry.
I'd agree with BK and just opt for crushed rock and save the $40m2+.
But in answer to your question, I don't know of any personally. I came across one when searching for Sir Walter called Lady Jane. If you are set on the 'fake grass' it might be worth looking at, although I love the quote from the website "'Lady Jane' is the ideal solution for creating a luscious soft ground cover in place of high maintenance pebbles, rocks, pavers, woodchips, even decks." - not sure I'd call pebbles and rocks 'high maintenance'
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Re: Artificial Turf that doesnt shine and cool to touch?6
Dec 09, 2010 9:00 am
Agree with waht you are saying, it does make a good consistant sporting surface but for home use to replace real grass is a joke.
Another point if you have a no use area then a mulched garden bed of low maintenaince ground covers and strappy grass like plants will have a far better cooling/enviromental effect and require the same care as rocks once established. Fake grass should be considered a hard surface and used where you want something slightly softer than concrete.
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Dec 11, 2010 3:47 pm
Artificial grass (Plastic fibre Mat is its real name) is an alternative to concrete and not grass. Grass, lawn, or turf should only be used for live grass surfaces. Having said that plastic fibre mat is a pretty good alternative to concrete. Sorry about the length of this, but I hope this explains where Plastic grass should be used.
When you investigate the properties, benefits and functionality of plastic turf compared to real Buffalo grass or any other type of real grass, you soon realise it cannot replace real lawn, but it is a great alternative to concrete or other hard surfaces. Artificial grass is simply a softer alternative to concrete, allowing a surface to be treated harshly, yet still allow people to play some sports that real grass has trouble coping with. Real Buffalo grass, and Zoysia, can cope with a lot, even shade, but sometimes it is not the answer, like on tennis courts. For most lawn alternative uses, using artificial grass instead of real Buffalo turf is like having beer with Zero alcohol, being a male without kahunas, trying to eat plastic fruit rather than real fruit, or using plastic plants in the garden. Apart from tangible benefits of true Buffalo grass over the plastic stuff, there are the psychological realities. It is important you know where real Buffalo lawn should be used and where artificial grass should be used, so you get the benefits from your choice.
Research has often linked health benefits with natural living parks consisting of turf and plants. Patients who overlook parks in hospitals recover better, and residents of high rise housing with access to green open spaces are healthier. They have better mental health, immunity to disease, and work more productively. Even a child's behaviour is improved by natural turf and plants. When people live and work next to nature, they are more relaxed and are less susceptible to high blood pressure, stress and depression. The key word here is nature. Plastic grass is quickly dismissed by the human mind as not real and therefore could never be included in nature. Real turf is a wonderful part of nature. People find the feeling of grass between their toes, or the experience of ****** on a soft lawn both relaxing and exhilarating. Real turf is the preferred choice of sportsmen, providing a safer and healthier surface to play sport. More on why real turf is the best choice for most areas later.
However, artificial grass is a good safer alternative surface to concrete or other hard surfaces, particularly when physical activity is involved. Artificial turf still needs some maintenance, and I am sure anyone reading this that has artificial turf will concur. Firstly, it is imperative to remove any surface debris such as leaves, twigs, pebbles, paper and any other waste items on a regular basis. It is a good idea to also occasionally sweep the fibres up to revitalize the appearance of the artificial lawn. Always brush in opposite directions, as continuous brushing in one single direction will produce unacceptable pile lean. On most types of plastic turf, it is important not use any tools that may damage the surface and not to use solvents like acetone or cleaning materials containing alcohol. Check with the manufacturer of the product to see which cleaning fluids can be used on that brand. Stains such as oil and grease should be removed promptly as they become hard to remove if left for a while. Soapy water and scrubbing is one way to remove these stains. Ask the manufacturer what chemicals they suggest. Most manufactures mainly say to avoid getting grease, oil and other stains on the surface. For the first few years after artificial turf installation on sporting facilities, particularly indoors, static control is a problem that requires a spray of diluted fabric softener. "It also takes away the old tire smell," Fouty said. "Without the fabric softener, our indoor facility smells like old tires and locker rooms." Amy J. Fouty, CSFM, is the athletic turf manager for Michigan State University. She supervises an artificial lawn football practice facility. She claims that it cost about $23 000 per year to maintain the surface suitable for sports use. Outdoors during warmer seasons, you will need to rinse artificial turf with cleaning liquid on a regular basis to maintain shine, then irrigate with water to rinse away the cleaners. This should be done at least once per week, but be careful not to rinse too often as this can cause the fibres to become dry. This helps eliminate the problems that occur to a non cleaned surface. Rain will give a reprieve from doing the weekly cleanse. It is easy to see that fake turf still involves work.
A well constructed plastic turf surface will provide a safer environment for playing sport, or for underneath playground equipment in parks compared to hard surfaces. I much prefer to play tennis on a good artificial grass court, than on a hard concrete court. The artificial turf can be used indoors where low light precludes the use of real turf, and can be a softer, safer alternative to wood. Many artificial surfaces are portable and can be moved around venues. Artificial turf can be used around pools and resort areas where wear on turf or low light levels make turf an impossible choice, but for the home lawn, Buffalo makes a much better choice for around pools. Fake turf can be a great alternative to concrete paths around retirement villages, or parks, as it is a safer alternative to hard concrete. It can be used as play mats for kids, or as temporary matting, or even under a dog kennel. It is a soft alternative to paving, decking or concrete surfaces around houses and buildings for general use where turf is not an option. As a replacement for real grass, plastic grass does not really cut it, but having said that, there are still many places where artificial turf is an excellent choice.
Environmental science can be used to show why natural turf has serious benefits, and that plastic turf is a poor alternative. On a hot day dry artificial turf can be up to 50% hotter than real turf. In one study the temperature on artificial turf reached 78 degrees Celsius, whilst the natural turf was almost 40 degrees cooler, and this was on a day that was 37 degrees Celsius. Recently in Sydney, I was involved in a study which tested over 30 different surfaces on a 40 degree day. A concrete tennis court was 78.27 degrees, whilst an artificial grass tennis court was 66.95, and a nearby turf area was 45.65 degrees. So I guess this shows artificial turf is much cooler than concrete, but real turf is much cooler than the plastic stuff. Other studies have shown natural turf to cool the surrounds of buildings dramatically. An average front house lawn has the cooling effect of 8 ½ horse power worth of air conditioning. Environmentally, real Buffalo lawns clean runoff water, remove pollutants and heavy metals, and channel the water to recharge our aquifers. Turf also cleans the air. 15 square metres of turf produces enough oxygen for one person. On the other hand, artificial turf is often made from recycled rubber, which frequently contains aluminium, cadmium, chromium, copper, iron, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, selenium, sulphur and zinc, in addition to lead, that may have been absorbed into the rubber while in use as a car tire. If it is not recycled then it is often made from petroleum products, which the refining of causes huge amounts of pollution. Its life span is limited, so it will need replacing in about a decade. As the artificial fields get older and heat up, tiny fibres dislodge and can be inhaled by people playing sport or even ****** on the surface. Some, including a USA doctor, are worried this could lead to problems similar to Asbestosis.
On artificial turf sports fields, blood, sweat and tissue from someone falling, or dog and bird droppings need to be cleaned up with disinfectant, whilst on real turf, the turf and the beneficial bacteria all around it take care of the problem. In 2003, the Centres for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA conducted a study and found that artificial turf was the cause of several cases of Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA) in athletes. MRSA is an antibiotic-resistant bacterium that spreads through contact with people and objects. Symptoms of an infection can begin as seemingly innocuous bumps or nicks in the skin, but can quickly spread to the heart, lungs or central nervous system, even capable of causing death. Researchers found that players who sustained turf burns from artificial turf fields were seven times more likely to contract an MRSA infection since these uncovered wounds allowed the bacteria to pass easily among players in close contact. Leaves and sticks need cleaning, as do bird and animal droppings, whereas on real turf the mowing process takes care of this. Cleaning fake turf is not an easy process, and can involve many man hours. Mowing takes more time, but the other benefits of turf make up for it. Buffalo turf needs less mowing than Couch and Kikuyu which makes their monthly maintenance closer to artificial turf. Artificial turf can suffer from weed invasion just like real turf, although at a lower frequency, as dust and rain allow weed seeds to germinate. At least when real turf is sprayed with herbicides, the biological processes of turf and soil remove the chemical, while artificial turf allows it to linger. Pests and diseases may not hurt artificial turf, but a good healthy lawn and the right type of lawn for the region presents far less of these problems.
Real turf acts as a filter for water to be channelled into aquifers, cleaned by filtration on the way. Without these large grassed areas, our ground water supplies and nearby forests that rely on infiltration of nearby turf areas will suffer. Sure, plastic turf may need less water than turf to look good, but plastic turf still needs a little water for cooling and for cleaning. A good warm season turf (like Buffalo) when trained correctly, uses about the same water as a native garden. This was confirmed by a study at the University of Western Sydney. In places like Sydney and Brisbane, during water restrictions people just let their lawn go brown. When it rained again it came back to life. Good warm season Buffalo turf grasses do that.
Environmentally real Buffalo grass is a wonderful natural product, which far outshines man made plastic grass in the green stakes. Sure there are a lot of places artificial turf is needed, particularly replacing hard surfaces, but the recent trend to use it in areas such as homes, parks and recently like St Kilda Council on roadsides, supported by better environmental credentials, is based on bad information. One hectare of natural turf can strip 2 to 3 tonne of carbon per hectare per year from the atmosphere. The manufacturing of plastic grass produces carbon, but takes none from the atmosphere. Keep the dream alive, keep the backyard cooler and sing the praises of real lawn. Please feel free to pass this information around.
Re: Artificial Turf that doesnt shine and cool to touch?9
Dec 11, 2010 11:31 pm
I removed a timber deck and replaced it with SW buffalo
the backyard came instantly cooler and much nicer place to be
plus I always was anti lawn as I never wanted to be a slave to it but now I LOVE my lawn
I went outside once. The graphics were alright, but the gameplay sucked!
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Dec 12, 2010 1:36 am
I agree - a soft cool fake grass doesn't exist. Sorry!
I saw it in a pub recently. The area which was used heavly looked like green concrete.
I agree with the above, if you arn't going to walk on it, and it's a small area that you couldn't be bothered to rev up the lawnmower for - go for it.
But the environmental benefits actually do lean toward real grass...
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Re: Artificial Turf that doesnt shine and cool to touch?11
Dec 12, 2010 10:38 pm
Grasstree thank you.
In Australia we already have enough plastic in existence to sustain us into the foreseeable future in Australia without producing any new plastics.
Covering our cities in complex plastics is not environmentally friendly.
I have never heard any environmental scientists, conservationists or Horticulturists and especially Hort Media people openly say this stuff is good.
A recent letter to the local paper asked that the state Government offer rebates on this stuff!!!!!! Are you serious!!!!!!!!!!!!! It won't happen.
Here in Perth we have a problem already with our city and its thermal mass. It is affecting summer rainfall catchments. We jokingly call it "The Perth Forcefield". In summer storms approaching from the North will often be seen to dump rain then as it moves over the metro area evaporates around our catchment areas. Now if people start embracing this stuff on mass we could potentially increase the thermal mass by quite a percentage and further add to our rainfall worries.
One bottle of water takes one and a half bottles of water to produce.
There have been significant studies on the various dioxins present in these products and was a feature in Organic Gardener Magazine a year or two back outlining studies done on it and the regulations now in place for those countries in it s use.
There is a number of industry types that have serious concerns for future problems it may create.
I'd like to see independent Australian research done on it to see what is leaching into our waterways and ultimately into our drinking water and river systems. A renowned University would be ideal.
A lawn will sequester more carbon than most other plants and come the day carbon trading is implemented, I think plastic grass will not be so shiny
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Dec 20, 2010 9:53 pm
There is now a lot of research that shows lawns take out 4 times more carbon from the air compared to the carbon produced by mowing it. Turf is a positive carbon sequester.
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Dec 21, 2010 12:49 am
It's going to be interesting how lawns pan out when carbon trading comes around
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