Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 3Oct 01, 2010 9:43 am http://take2-customdesigndownslope.blogspot.com 07-10-09 omg they have cut the block 14-05-10 we finally have the keys Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 4Oct 01, 2010 12:21 pm View our blog at: http://room4acubby.blogspot.com/ Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 9Oct 14, 2010 10:06 pm viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43238 building with kerdels in gabbadah, wa block purchased april 2010 signed with builder oct 2010 papers signed jan 2011 prestart done 17/01/2011 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 13Oct 15, 2010 4:10 pm Happy, Healthy Free Range Wessex Saddleback Pigs My doom and gloom paperwork nightmare viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32170 Construction viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43653 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 14Oct 15, 2010 4:28 pm Block bought 1st RBC X! 2nd Ventrua,Keeper! Pstart 18/7/11 Ethwks jan 2012 Slab Bricks- finished 7/6 Roof Trusses 15/6-cbond 21/7 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41185 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 15Oct 15, 2010 4:35 pm viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43238 building with kerdels in gabbadah, wa block purchased april 2010 signed with builder oct 2010 papers signed jan 2011 prestart done 17/01/2011 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 16Oct 15, 2010 4:39 pm Try a 26% markup from our builder! Happy, Healthy Free Range Wessex Saddleback Pigs My doom and gloom paperwork nightmare viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32170 Construction viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43653 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 17Oct 15, 2010 4:49 pm As i understand it a Engineer has to sign of on the site works,so if we use the same earth moving company & eng as the builder it should be done to a standard. If the earthworks fellow has not done the job to the standard the eng would not sign off on it & wouldn't he have to fix it up as he was employed to do the site works. Sorry hope you follow in a hurry to get to school pick-up Block bought 1st RBC X! 2nd Ventrua,Keeper! Pstart 18/7/11 Ethwks jan 2012 Slab Bricks- finished 7/6 Roof Trusses 15/6-cbond 21/7 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41185 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 18Oct 15, 2010 5:39 pm Hi Velouria, Thank you for your compliments regarding my passion for the industry - for what it's worth i've been raised around building companies so it's hard to not get excited about home building. I'm not sure if you've been on our site, but i'm a member of the family that owns the group so i definitely take comments to heart and part of me being on here is to try and break down the ?? that exist between building companies and clients. In terms of the mark up on the price, i can't fully comment as it's not in relation to the division i run so i'm not sure what their practice is. I definitely agree with you on the mark up, and i'm not quite sure why they do it like that. I think a builder or 'shop owner' has every right to charge a price for a change etc, as long as the cost can be justified. At the same time, that's sadly the world of business in that if you can charge it.... you will. By saying that, please don't think of me as someone who believes thats the way to conduct business. As long as you are talking to them, i think they'll hopefully come to the party on some of these items. We do have stuff like this come up from time to time with people wanting to use their own items, and in some cases they can actually get a better price for items from retailers (can be very frustrating and makes us as builders look stupid), from that i like to keep the conversation quite transparent so we can work toward an outcome - hence my push to talk to the builder or NHA in the office. I'd assume you're building in the south-west otherwise in the wheatbelt? If you need a hand with anything Velouria, feel free to send me an email (jay.walter@ruralbuilding.com.au) and i'll see what i can do. I'd rather discuss over email if names are concerned for the sake of their privacy. gabbybuild10 - i think you've got the right mindset. It's crazy that people get so carried away upgrading every single item on their house straight away, then get upset when the price comes back. It's like walking into the Holden dealership when the car is advertised for $30k, doing all the upgrades then complaining when it comes back at $60k. Best thing is to work out your priorities, as in what you can't live without now, or are more economical to do now, then later on do the things that can be done over time. you'll also find some of the nicest homes are one's where they have kept it simple, and the time and money has gone into finishing. We built a house not long ago where the client upgraded everything - this house was the 'ducks nuts' and looked brilliant. A few months after handover we saw the house and were quite disappointed at the finished result. The painting was done by owner but looked like a real rush job - no sanding and filling on the walls for a smooth finish, no washing the walls down for dust, not cutting in properly - it was a shame that what could have been a stunning home had been cut short by compromising on the details that make it look fantastic. I'm not saying you shouldn't do painting yourself, more so that it's soooooo important to take your time when building a home - from the very start to the very finish. If you plan to dig your own trenches etc, make sure you get from the builder what depth they require. A house we're building at the moment had the client do trenches by owner, they did them 300mm deep when we required 500mm and they were too narrow. The client had to rehire the digger to come back out again. Admittedly, it was our mistake not specifying the requirements clearly and we assisted with payment for the digger and i'm in the process now of making sure this is reflected in our documentation to avoid it happening again. Anyway, anymore questions - please feel free to email me, shoot us a PM or write up on here. Hopefully i'm restoring a bit of faith in builders and that we're not all bad guys!! Jay Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 19Oct 15, 2010 9:59 pm jayw Hi Velouria, Thank you for your compliments regarding my passion for the industry - for what it's worth i've been raised around building companies so it's hard to not get excited about home building. I'm not sure if you've been on our site, but i'm a member of the family that owns the group so i definitely take comments to heart and part of me being on here is to try and break down the ?? that exist between building companies and clients. In terms of the mark up on the price, i can't fully comment as it's not in relation to the division i run so i'm not sure what their practice is. I definitely agree with you on the mark up, and i'm not quite sure why they do it like that. I think a builder or 'shop owner' has every right to charge a price for a change etc, as long as the cost can be justified. At the same time, that's sadly the world of business in that if you can charge it.... you will. By saying that, please don't think of me as someone who believes thats the way to conduct business. As long as you are talking to them, i think they'll hopefully come to the party on some of these items. We do have stuff like this come up from time to time with people wanting to use their own items, and in some cases they can actually get a better price for items from retailers (can be very frustrating and makes us as builders look stupid), from that i like to keep the conversation quite transparent so we can work toward an outcome - hence my push to talk to the builder or NHA in the office. I'd assume you're building in the south-west otherwise in the wheatbelt? If you need a hand with anything Velouria, feel free to send me an email (jay.walter@ruralbuilding.com.au) and i'll see what i can do. I'd rather discuss over email if names are concerned for the sake of their privacy. Jay thanks for your reply and offer of assistance. We may drop you a line in the future and explain our tale of woe to you....but be warned...its almost 16months long! Could you explain to me why, when we are now supplying our own toilets, we are still being charged for 1/2 the cost of the standard ones? This is not a question of us 'wanting' to use our own stuff...we have been forced to by the inflated pricing we have been quoted. To travel 1hour each way into town, with two kids under 3 to collect these toilets and then have to store them until they are needed is exceedingly inconvenient. This whole saga has been quite stressful and has once again delayed us (but whats another week in the longest pre-contract papertrail ever!). I get the impression that you genuinely care about your clients and the reputation of your Company. By no means am I disparaging the JWH group - we chose CB for areason and that was quality and professionalism and we still believe that they will deliver us a fantastic house - but why does it have to be so hard. Why do we have to push all the time for them to meet their deadlines? Why do we have to be the ones to highlight errors/ommissions and obvious mistakes in pricing? Why is it that when we call into question their pricing, most often there is a price reduction (I know this is a good thing for us, but it does leave us feeling that if we hadn't brought it up we would have been over charged) Its their job but its our life (and at the moment it is pretty sucky ) edited due to tragic spelling errors Happy, Healthy Free Range Wessex Saddleback Pigs My doom and gloom paperwork nightmare viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32170 Construction viewtopic.php?f=31&t=43653 Re: Works by owner and what the builder thought 20Oct 17, 2010 11:27 am What we would also like to see is a transparent price list, So when you update etc you see the credit for the item & the cost of the new,all itemised Door updated/credit cost Standard door $500-00 Credit $500-00 Up-dated door $900-00 Extra amount payable by client $400-00 We have found that as you go through all the costing etc you really have no idea what you are being charged for or if you are recieving any credit back. Don't really understand how you can be charged any % of something you have changed or removed Builders are 100% entitled to make money (off course) same as anyone,they make money from the build itself,but i think they have to be more realistic on those extra prices Also every-one can not have everything, so when you have to choose say a bigger window/garage/bench,nicer tiles etc over hiring a painter (which in the east is included in house price) then you paint the house yourself & do the best you can,well thats the priority for you! Block bought 1st RBC X! 2nd Ventrua,Keeper! Pstart 18/7/11 Ethwks jan 2012 Slab Bricks- finished 7/6 Roof Trusses 15/6-cbond 21/7 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41185 Fair Trading can issue orders to rectify and complete but once the matter goes to NCAT these orders are automatically vacated. You will have to terminate contract and sue… 21 29779 Hi All, I just wanted to close this topic out with an update. 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