Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering 1 Oct 14, 2010 5:04 pm RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 7Oct 14, 2010 8:04 pm RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 9Oct 14, 2010 9:07 pm RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 11Oct 14, 2010 9:33 pm Lex, thanks for the info will have a read of it now. There are also about 38 600mL tubes of the adhesive there as well (so about 163L all up) so that coverage sounds about right. The timber is cypress pine, 22mm thick, 85mm wide. I am comfortable with the quantity of glue especially based on you information (and considering I had thought he said 40 drums not 14 although for the price I am paying I could buy 40 elsewhere). What I am unhappy about is the price, especially since the invoice specifically states it is only for the glue and he also said it is only for the glue. Is ~$100/m2 a fair price overall? RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 12Oct 14, 2010 9:44 pm It could get tricky if you try to argue the cost of glue alone. Some installers can be super sensitive that someone who isn't in the business can get some info very easily, like the cost of various materials. It's also likely that he has tradies discount, so sounds like double dipping - almost. I am not sure what are the install costs in your region, maybe more than in metro areas, and am not sure if the 22mm has a role in the cost. I would expect that average Sydney price for install, sand and a "standard" coating (not water based or some special oils) is about 55/m2, so max 65 if water based. This includes GST. It also seems that most people who charge this will only use small amounts of glue, but this also varies a lot! If we deduct the glue from the total of 22k, it sounds much better, at $80/m2. Also depends what kind of coating will you have. Overall sounds good, except that it leaves a very bad taste because of their glue pricing. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 13Oct 14, 2010 9:51 pm I think I will ring around tomorrow just to "sus" out the general prices in the area. I know of at least one other place in our town and there would be at least one other in the next town. The sad thing is, I have ended up getting a few tradies form down in Cairns (1.5 hours away) because they are still cheaper and more willing even with travel . My builder came from Cairns, so does my tiler. I got drains and tiles from Melbourne . There is a lot of unnecessary over charging up here. I have always known that . Thanks for your input Lex and Namtrak, more input still welcome. Will let you know how I go. RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 14Oct 15, 2010 11:03 am Lex And nobody does a trowel glue !! I am very cautious as an installer - I don't want any callbacks, so I almost always trowel with a 3mm notched trowel onto timber and a 5mm trowel onto concrete. Raleighfarm he called to say that he had over $4000............If it is for other costs as well, then the invoice is incorrect as it should reflect this.............................. BTW, were you in the flooring business when you were on the tablelands?........... Yeh sounds to me like he is chasing an advance payment more so than just paying for the glue. If I was in your boat, I would probably call him on it - something along the lines of the "the glue should cost around $2000, the payment of $4400 looks over and above. If you want an partial payment then just be upfront and we will work fine together etc" I think the installer is probably not sensible enough to just seek a partial. Only in a small way on the Tablelands. Sorry no recommendations. Raleighfarm The timber is cypress pine, 22mm thick, 85mm wide.................................... Is ~$100/m2 a fair price overall? Being Cypress I would clarify what sort of finish is going on the floor. I prefer a Hardwax Oil on Cypress I reckon it looks super, either way I would definitely stay away from the older style finishes. Alternatively a water based finish will not yellow over time and keeps the colour of the original floor intact. $100 is quite reasonable - if you have any doubts never too late to ask to see floors done by the contractor - I always offer the opportunity to see floors in situ for potential clients. Cheers Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 15Oct 15, 2010 11:40 am Thanks Namtrak...yes I would prefer them to just ask for a deposit to cover initial costs including glue and labour. Transparency makes things much easier for all I reckon. That price is for 3 coats of polyurethane on top. Is that what you mean by older style finishes? Is that not a good finish to have? We were looking at an oil finish but were concerned about the costs. How much more expensive would you expect (say per m2) we should pay for this kind of finish? RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 16Oct 15, 2010 11:54 am It is a personal preference but the solvent based polyurethanes have a much higher degree of toxicity whilst curing and the finish yellows over time - so you basically end up looking at the finish rather than the floor. The main product I use are Bona water based finishes (Bona) The solvent based finishes are cheaper, but the extra cost would only be $2/3 per sqm For 200 sqm the cost of a 1 coat of Bona primer and 2 coats of Bona mega would be just on $8.2 per sqm or about $1650 cost to the installer. Something like a Polycure would cost about $1000 for 200 sqm Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 17Oct 15, 2010 11:59 am namtrak It is a personal preference but the solvent based polyurethanes have a much higher degree of toxicity whilst curing and the finish yellows over time - so you basically end up looking at the finish rather than the floor. The main product I use are Bona water based finishes (Bona) The solvent based finishes are cheaper, but the extra cost would only be $2/3 per sqm For 200 sqm the cost of a 1 coat of Bona primer and 2 coats of Bona mega would be just on $8.2 per sqm or about $1650 cost to the installer. Something like a Polycure would cost about $1000 for 200 sqm Thanks. Will chat with DH about it because that is the way we initially wanted to go especially to avoid the toxicity issues. DH brought it up again the other day and I was concerned about cost and not being able to afford it but I think that is reasonable. What sort of upkeep is required for hardwax oil finished floors? Does this need annual maintenance? Edit: Ok just checked out the Bona products and it gives me a bit of an idea on the maintenance...pretty easy really. RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 18Oct 15, 2010 12:15 pm The Hardwax Oil I use is called Treatex supplied by Whittlewaxes. This costs around $330 per 5L but, and this is the thing a lot of installers don't consider is that you only need 2 THIN coats, as opposed to 3 coats for the polyurethanes Treatex is actually cheaper than the Bona products. 2 coats of Treatex costs $3.16 per sqm per coat ($6.32 finished) 1 coat primer and 2 coats Bona Mega costs $8.2 finished. Maintenance for both is similar - a spray on /wipe off cleaning product from both companies which is very easy to use. Prevention is always better - door mats, furniture protectors, clipped dog nails etc If you are considering the Treatex product a go give Giles at Whittlewaxes a call (google them) he is very helpful, and if Bona send Bona a email with any questions then Adrian will happily answer your questions Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 19Oct 15, 2010 12:22 pm namtrak The Hardwax Oil I use is called Treatex supplied by Whittlewaxes. This costs around $330 per 5L but, and this is the thing a lot of installers don't consider is that you only need 2 THIN coats, as opposed to 3 coats for the polyurethanes Treatex is actually cheaper than the Bona products. 2 coats of Treatex costs $3.16 per sqm per coat ($6.32 finished) 1 coat primer and 2 coats Bona Mega costs $8.2 finished. Maintenance for both is similar - a spray on /wipe off cleaning product from both companies which is very easy to use. Prevention is always better - door mats, furniture protectors, clipped dog nails etc If you are considering the Treatex product a go give Giles at Whittlewaxes a call (google them) he is very helpful, and if Bona send Bona a email with any questions then Adrian will happily answer your questions Thank you, thank you, thank you . I feel so much better informed. I don't like not-knowing and going into things blind, especially since I am the one responsible for spending so much money. I am always worried about making bad, uninformed decisions. RF Build: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34534 Flooring: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39733 Chat: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=53303 Re: OMG...advice on price for Polyurethane floor adhesive 20Oct 15, 2010 3:18 pm namtrak ... if you have any doubts never too late to ask to see floors done by the contractor - I always offer the opportunity to see floors in situ for potential clients. Well, to be fair, I did have one guy did give me the address of a public place ... 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