Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 3Aug 12, 2010 10:39 pm Recently moved to a 60's home in need of some improvement! http://s797.photobucket.com/user/leenii ... ch%20House Old house: http://s797.photobucket.com/albums/yy25 ... loo/House/ Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 5Aug 12, 2010 11:47 pm Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 12Aug 18, 2010 9:54 am Hey DG, it is an older industry term that I really shouldn't be using anymore but most trades I deal with still do as well: "General Purpose Outlet is an electrical term. The definition for GPO in the AS3000 - Australian Standard for Wiring Rules is "three pin flat pin 10 amp socket outlet" or power point as commonly known. However the definition was removed from the 2000 edition of the wiring rules, those power points are now defined as Socket Outlets." So it sounds like the gas fitter and electrician are coming in to do their roughing in an empty space is this correct? That is when the majority of the work will be done - they will lay everything out so that when they come back it will be a quick job to hook everything up and make it active and this has most likely already been factored into their quote. It might still be worth inquiring if they charge more for coming out on a Saturday - if they do and you can live with no services until Monday that might save you a few dollars. Something I have found out through experience though, make sure that everything will be in place for them to work on and confirm who is doing what - an ongoing problem we often encounter is kitchen installers not wanting to hang range hoods for example; they say the electrician or plumber should do it, then when the tradies turn up they say the installer should have done it - same for locating the oven in the cabinetry, especially if there are fascia strips that need to be fitted above and below the unit - just make sure the oven isn't screwed into place. A lot of this might not even be relevant to your job but just a heads up. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 13Aug 18, 2010 10:33 am thats right Earl kitchen will be gutted when installers come. My tradies here now (painter - ex kitchen guy ) said we will need a plumber to do dishwasher plugs and sink and taps. Gas line moved and power point moved. I will try and get a guy out here to do a quote on site for us. Is the correct way to go about it ? Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 14Aug 18, 2010 10:59 am Hi DG, So you will need someone to disconnect the existing services before the kitchen is removed? That's one call out for the tradies - the plumber/gasfitter I use also does kitchen demolitions so that it saves him having to come back once everything is removed - if your installers have quoted to do this part of the job it might be worth checking about the disconnection of the services...sometimes they do this themselves, although it is often not technically legal. The roughing in (moving of gas line, new SO's) is best done when there is no cabinetry or installers around to get in the way so hopefully there will be a break between removal and installation; often there is some making good to be done before a new kitchen goes in and this is always a good time for the trades to come out and do their main work. Then there is the reconnect once all the cabinetry is fitted. This means potentially three attendances for the trades, but the disconnect is a quick job and again they might be happy to consolidate the price of this with the reconnect and only charge one call out. Getting an on site quote is always the best way to go, but it pays to make sure that the trades you consult do not charge you for a quote; again my guys don't but I know some do. If you can't get a free on site quote you may well be able to get a quote from them by emailing your new plans and requirements list along with any photos you might have of the existing kitchen. Obviously everyone wants to get paid for the time they spend on a job and this includes quoting; a big reason for people charging for quotes is that more and more potential clients are getting quotes from five or so different guys each time or are just tyre kickers - basic economics really...no one likes to spend an hour in traffic plus the time on site for nothing. Of course if you don't get charged for the quote the cost for the quote is probably factored into the job. The main reason I'm even mentioning this is for anyone else reading this as much as for you; we are finding that potential clients are now getting as many as ten quotes for a new kitchen, which means we go from having a one in three chance of getting a job to a one in ten. Contrary to what many people believe quotes don't just get generated at the touch of a button, we still have to do quite a bit of work (which means spending time, on and off site) for each quote we produce and this has to be paid for by someone. The market may be getting more and more competitive but undercutting each other ultimately only leads to one outcome; the undercutters go out of business because they can't sustain their overheads and the more expensive people who are covering their costs go out of business because they aren't getting the jobs. Sorry for using your thread for the rant, I'm definitely not accusing you of behaving in this manner, but this is something that obviously affects a lot of people in the industry and this is just a good opportunity to present another view on the topic of quoting that I feel quite a few people don't appreciate. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 15Aug 18, 2010 11:09 am no probs and thanks for teh advice you will be happy to hear that we went with just 1 quote guys came recommened, we were happy, everyone we talked too said quote was great. I just wanna make sure we organize all tradies and installers to all fall into place. Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 16Aug 18, 2010 2:11 pm That's great DG, I wish you were the rule rather than more of an exception. Word of mouth is still one of the strongest forms of marketing in this industry and it is great to see people getting their name handed around when they do good work. I hope I have managed to answer your questions and look forward to hearing about your happy outcome. One important thing is to try and allow as much time for each stage as you can - not that things shouldn't happen in the time you expect them but in my experience it is mostly when the scheduling is extremely tight that something unexpected will occur to slow things down...and if all the trades are coming in back to back this can upset a lot of people. Of course I appreciate that there is only ever "so long" that you can be without a kitchen but it still pays to be as judicious and generous with your timeline as possible. Good luck. Cheers, Earl Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 18Sep 13, 2010 4:32 pm Sorry to hijack your thread, deathgod. I'm planning to replace the gas cooktop and rangehood in my new apartment, and I'm hoping that somebody could advise me who I should call ... is it an electrician? Or do I call for a handyman? I went to have a look around in a few places like Good Guys, but that particular outlet I went don't have anyone to do the installation. I'm in Melbourne btw, if anyone can make a recommendation, that would be great. Thanks! Signed: June 2010 | Settlement: September 2010 | Moved in: October 2010 Re: kitchen quote figures and advice 19Sep 13, 2010 9:26 pm bunnywabbit Sorry to hijack your thread, deathgod. I'm planning to replace the gas cooktop and rangehood in my new apartment, and I'm hoping that somebody could advise me who I should call ... is it an electrician? Or do I call for a handyman? I went to have a look around in a few places like Good Guys, but that particular outlet I went don't have anyone to do the installation. I'm in Melbourne btw, if anyone can make a recommendation, that would be great. Thanks! Whereabouts in Melbourne are you and what type of appliances you are planning to fit in? I was being kind to the builder. 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