Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Internal Phone Points 2Apr 05, 2008 8:34 pm mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 5Apr 05, 2008 8:59 pm mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 6Apr 05, 2008 9:00 pm mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 9Apr 06, 2008 9:29 am Depending on what type of modem / internet access you will have, it maybe wise to have two points in your house. One for the phones, one for your modem to plug into. Not everyone has access to the latest in internet technology (cable). Some of us still have to settle with ADSL. Re: Internal Phone Points 10Apr 06, 2008 10:12 am Don’t forget one for the security system.
Talk to your Electrician about installing a distributed A/V system in your house. Something along the lines of Hills Home Hub, Clipsal Starserve, HPM Harmony, PDL Lexcom, as examples. This way you can run Cat 6 cables throughout the house and use them as either Telephone or Data, plus it can distribute your TV antenna as well as AV. Re: Internal Phone Points 11Apr 06, 2008 10:18 am Thanks for the replies - I'll get rid of one of the outlets and use a basestation as per all your advice for the phone.
We do have a couple of outlets in rooms though that we plan on purely using for the internet. I'm still not that keen on wireless so we are having dedicated internet lines in 2 other rooms (study and master bedroom). I'll be honest and say i'm not totally internet savy so aren't sure what you mean by ADSL. Would i need a seperate cable and connector for this ? Only reason i'm asking is i'm sure when i got the verbal quote (written one on its way) he mentioned one of the things he would do is put in (I'm sure the abreviation was) ADSL points where the dedicated internet points would be. Cheers,Simon Re: Internal Phone Points 12Apr 06, 2008 10:21 am This is the PDL Lexcom
http://www.pdl.com.au/products-nav.aspx?id=661 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Quote: PDL LexCom Home Network's proven networking technology gives the home owner complete control over their home entertainment and communication systems. This up to date home wiring system allows them to take advantage of today's applications such as digital and Pay TV, multiple phone lines, and home Internet access. It also prepares the home for other rapidly emerging technologies. Complete flexibility without the design dilemmas The innovative use of a single high capacity network cable (Cat7+) and the patented, tool less "Crocodile" RJ45 connectors, combine to create an industry first Universal Function Outlet that can cater for any TV, telephone and data device. Modular DIN rail mounted components complete the offer allowing for the fastest installations and the easy expansion or upgrading of functionality. Highly functional yet easy to use The home owner can connect to the Internet in every room, or watch their favourite Pay TV program on all TV's with full remote control functionality from any outlet in the home. Universal outlets allow the home owner to access any service in any location with changes able to be made to be made by them in seconds. Exceptional performance for 15 years With a network bandwidth capacity that easily exceeds 1 GB/s, the PDL LexCom Home Network promises to be able to cope with future digital developments for many years to come. The PDL 15 Year Warranty for tested systems is the icing on the cake giving the home owner, builder and installer alike, peace of mind that the system is backed by one of the largest Electrical Suppliers in the world. Re: Internal Phone Points 13Apr 06, 2008 11:22 am Simon Thanks for the replies - I'll get rid of one of the outlets and use a basestation as per all your advice for the phone. We do have a couple of outlets in rooms though that we plan on purely using for the internet. I'm still not that keen on wireless so we are having dedicated internet lines in 2 other rooms (study and master bedroom). I'll be honest and say i'm not totally internet savy so aren't sure what you mean by ADSL. Would i need a seperate cable and connector for this ? Only reason i'm asking is i'm sure when i got the verbal quote (written one on its way) he mentioned one of the things he would do is put in (I'm sure the abreviation was) ADSL points where the dedicated internet points would be. Cheers,Simon You'll get ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line...whatever that means) through the normal phone line (thats the standard Modular point on all phone...I think that's what they are called). You'll need an ADSL modem - different to a dial in modem. Set up is much easier as it can be configured through your network card on the computer. I've found the ISP Helplines very helpful on setting up the modem (with iPrimus). If you only have a single phone point you can plug a double adaptor in for a single phone point which one line going to normal phone and one going to your high speed ADSL modem...all you need is an inline filter between the point and the normal handset as otherwise you get interfrence from the ADSL modem when making a call. Most brand name modems come with a filter in the modem kit. I've got wall plates in my bedrooms with three plugs, one aerial, one phone, and one for CAT5 (the blue cabling). Except for the study where I have two phone plugs to avoid the double adaptor. You still need the inline filter for the normal phone. I'm no Luddite but I gave up on the wireless type connection as it became a bit too hard. I figure if the kids want to use the internet they can go to the one machine that is connected and I can monitor what they are doing....Big Brother style. I'm also lucky enough to have a work computer with a NextG connected to the office network if I want to surf in front of the TV....IT can manage the security Oh and ADSL is marketed as ADSL+, ADSL2 all I think are slighter quicker versions of each other. Hope this helps......I'm no expert but I'm sure someone can fill in the technical details here. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 15Apr 06, 2008 1:31 pm bec thanks for the useful info! whats CATS though? did someone say, I just have to ask that on the run out the door..... Not CATS as in Geelong CAT5 as in the number it's the blue cabling used on computer network cables....let wikipedia be your friend..."this type of cable is often used in structured cabling for computer networks such as Ethernet, and is also used to carry many other signals such as basic voice services" http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff2/mikeb1968/200px-Cat5.jpg At the time (7 years ago) I thought it would be a good basic cabling system if I wanted to do any home networking I've got a patch panel that allows me to divert data from the study around to the other bedrooms...but with wireless it's probably "so last year ago". Having said that the guy who is buying our house is in IT and though he might make good use of it. But...now I have kids...if the wanna use the internet they can use the one machine in the house which has access...makes monitoring a lot easier. Any IT-type people out there who can add more details to my civil engineer interpretation of things...... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 16Apr 06, 2008 1:45 pm Many thanks for that, gives me a lot more ammunition now. I'll give the electrician a call monday and check it with him again. He seemed very genuine but I don't want to end up with anything i'll never use.
Any ideas what kind of price it would cost me then to put phone points in a single storey house - just as a guide. I've heard roughly $80 per point. Cheers, simon Re: Internal Phone Points 17Apr 06, 2008 2:01 pm For the new abode I'm getting a quote for an alarm install from a guy I've used before and highly recommend...he did all the CAT5, phone, and aerial cables so I'll ask him...he's based in Western Melbourne not sure were you are. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Internal Phone Points 18Apr 06, 2008 3:18 pm for those who wish know a bit more about cabling and its uses, CAT5 is a standard for type of computer or phone or anyother signal transfer cable that meets a particular standard.
The regular network cable as 8 wires in it out of which simple home phones can use only 2, computers use (standard use) 4, some devices can even obtain thier power through this cable. In the future if you were to plan a intercom in the house and used IP phones, then the power for these devices could be obtained from these spare wires if you could get a POE or power over ethernet switch, Having a few spare long run ethernet cables from a central point in the house can be very useful for the future. Since it may be expensive for the builder to do this, it maybe possible you could with permission just the cable yourself and get a sparky to do the terminations later... Buildling a Clarendon Crestmead in Sydney DA Approved on 20/03/2008 Slab Poured on 02/09/2008 Frame Completed 15/10/2008 Brickwork Complete 2/02/2009 Roofwork Complete 05/03/2009 cabling 19May 04, 2008 11:08 am Ok This is what I've read in the past year or 2..
I've been reading up on all the postings re: cabling and noticed quite a few people mentioning doing it themselves. Did you all realise it is actually illegal to do this. Not saying a lot of people don't do it. :; But it is actually illegal for anyone without the correct cabling license to do the cabling bit ( including laying the cable not just the end points) if the cable will be connected in anyway to the phone line. If the cable will be fixed- in the roof, in conduit, counts as fixed, If you have it running across your floor then its not classed as fixed. ( horrid look - II should know as this is what I live with) Technically if there was a fire.. and you have illegally installed cabling your insurance company can refuse to payout on any claim because of the illegal wiring. Of course as yet this has never been tried and there has supposedly ( from what i''ve read on other forums ) never been a proven case of cabling causing a fire in Australia) .. but that's the legal stance. One Australian mostly computer forum I frequent a lot has a dedicated section to do with networking and they have heaps of stickies at the top of the section saying any queries about DIY cabling will be removed due to their illegality. Kerry Blog http://wherethehearthis.blogspot.com/ Build https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=6634: Yard https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27687&p=378401#p378401 Re: Internal Phone Points 20May 04, 2008 12:26 pm Kexkez you Pm-ed me about my patch panel so I thought I'd share in case others are interested.
kexkez HI ya just wondering what brand of patch panel you are using. I only recently found out you can also ahve extra phones conencted to addtional data points ( cat5e we'll be going) so I am frantically trying ti investigate the idea of getting cabling done. Need to ahve details worked out b4 prestart so the builders can be told where to put the conduit . ( they refuse to allow their electrician to do it) I'm using "industry quality" KRONE patch panels which allow be to distribute data via CAT5 around the house. With Clipsal C-Bus technology and wireless it's probably old hat technology but suited my purposes Heres the panel: http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff2/mikeb1968/PatchPanet.jpg Further references: http://www.adckrone.com.au/adc/pdfs/Tru ... _5e_08.pdf For sourcing I'd try Jaycar or Radio Parts if you're in Melbourne - they also do mail order. I'm surprised that illegal wiring would cover data cabling....would seem a bit draconian...but I take you word for it. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard If you're referring to Eufy homebase, then just put a switch between a datapoint and put the homebase elsewhere near another device in your home unless you want teh… 9 11990 Thanks. Yeh ideally that would have been good, but have progressed too far now. Hoping some well placed internal walls fixed up into the battens will provide some… 2 3472 Thank you alexp79 and gommeqld for your advice, that's very helpful, thanks 3 6299 |