Browse Forums Kitchen Corner Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 24Jan 16, 2008 9:47 pm Our builder uses 2 pack poly on his kitchen cupboards in his display display home (which we are building with modifications). He said he will never use it again as it chips very easily. We were swayed against 2 pack as the kitchen people confirmed this .... although to be honest I really like the glossy look.
We decided to go gloss laminate and get a rebate for the cupboards .... costs aside. Additionally we had a vinyl wrap kitchen in our last house and our (then) 4 yr old was very good at peeling the coating off the doors . Not a good look ... particularly when we were ready to sell and couldn't find anyone to fix the doors. And yes ... it was definitely peeling near the oven Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 25Feb 24, 2008 3:44 pm Casa2 MaiFy, Great post. It's good to get an expert opinion. I'm sold on polyurethane, but was led to believe that it is significantly more expensive than vinyl. You mentioned that you "find gloss polyurethane and gloss vacuum similar in price". Does this apply only to the gloss finish or is independent of finish? As you've mentioned I like polyurethane since it is heat tolerant, readily colour matched (and therefore repaired if need be), can follow any contour, comes in any colour you like and is harder wearing. I thought price was a downside, but maybe that is not the case. The only other downside is that I've been led to believe that polyurethane is prone to chipping. Being a hard surface if the inevitable kitchen item knocks it, it can chip. What's your opinion on this? In the extreme case of chipping, I've heard that a draw or door can be removed and recoated. Anyway, I've specified polyurethane for my upcoming kitchen and have yet to find something better to take its place. Cheers, Casa Hi casa Sorry to take a while to respond I haven't been getting notifications of replies 1. Significantly more expensive? I can only speak for myself and with my pricing system I find a flat poly door kitchen that costs about $10 grand will add very roughly $300 2. As for chipping. After the building process is finished the most likely knocks are from plates or saucepans hitting door edges as they are put away or removed. (Slightly more probable to damage poly but i feel other factors far out weigh this very slight negative. Its just that I'm such a clumsy person.LOL Kids using a sharp toy to hit the doors. (damages both Poly and Vacuum, and which is the easier to fix? ....Poly) The high risk time is in installation. Before hand over to the customer if the installers damage any thing when installing the cabinetmaker has to pay out of his pocket to fix the chips, we don't like it. Trust me I know a customer will spot a chip 90% more often than a scratch. So one response is to tell the sales staff to just sell vacuum. Hey it looks good . Which it does. But they don't have to live with the kitchen and it’s gone from their heads in 6 months time. They may even be selling carpets by then. LOL Once A Kitchen is installed from looking at old kitchens I have installed and others, Polyurethane wins hands down. Look at the post above by DeeElle where the young child was peeling the vinyl off. Also some infomation on how the back end of the kitchen game works There are different 2 pac paint systems, some common brands I can think of are Wattyl, Spartan evic and pylon and you have different spray company outlets. All they do is spray doors for various kitchen companies. Some large Kitchen companies paint in house and some subcontract out. It costs me from my supplier about $100 M2 to apply a simple colour to the substrate door i supply on flat doors. NO Groves. I know I can go to places and get $70 M2 but is that 1 or 2 coats of undercoat and a cheap top coat? Also I think some places use a one Pac solid colour lacquer, its a lot cheaper than poly. Which are a not the same quality. So ask your kitchen guy is it baked like a car paint? And does the paint have a part A and A part B? Thats why its 2 Pac. 2 Pac polyurethane is applied (sprayed) in a very large sealed booth. The spray painters wear ventilated suits because the paint is toxic and after it is sprayed they heat the booth to harden the paint. The booths have filters to catch all the fumes and over spray so it is now very safe. Sorry for the information overload I just can’t help myself. LOL and As i said above yes you can respray damaged doors any time in the future. Regardless of all the factors and waffle above you can't go wrong with poly. Any way i hope this is interesting to you and hope it helps you out. As as I said before this is only my opinion Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 26Feb 24, 2008 4:23 pm hmukai001 Hi Maify Thanks for your comments - it is much appreciated. Though I am probably staying with gloss melamine (laminate) which I have been suggested as a more durable option. Defintely not thermolaminate. Thanks Hi hmukai001 Yes this seems to be a new emerging trend in kitchens in the last couple of years. I haven't personally done any kitchens out of the new gloss melamines. And I do like the 2 mm PVC or ABS edging that often go with these doors. If the machine that applies the edges is set up properly it is very good. A side storey About 15 years ago you could get a high sheen white melamine carcase material that we used for a while as it looked smart. however within about 6 months the wood chips or fibres of the substrate HMR ( High Moisture Resistant) chipboard would swell and it looked all bumpy. Not a good look. And thinking back another problem was on horizontal surfaces like shelves it scratched easily. It wasn't available for to long.LOL These new glosses are on fibre board and designed for vertical use so it shouldn't be a problem. As with all new trends we will just have to see how they pan out in the long run. I hope it all goes well for you. Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 27Feb 24, 2008 6:55 pm The whole issue about which cupboard surface finish to use in kitchens is a concern to anyone building a new house or renovating their kitchen, so I'll try to summarise what I've learnt in this topic. MaiFy, it would be nice if you could check this for me.
1) There are three types of kitchen cupboard surface finishes: a) Melamine / Laminate b) Vinyl wrap / Thermo laminate c) Polyurethane 2) Overall polyurethane is best since: a) It is hard wearing b) It is heat tolerant c) It does not peel (like vinyl wrap) d) The colour does not degrade (like vinyl wrap) e) Damage can be repaired later f) If you later want to extend your kitchen, you can match the colour g) You can have any colour that you like 3) Polyurethane has the following downsides a) It can chip (particularly during installation) 4) With regard to cost: a) Gloss polyurethane does not cost any more than gloss vinyl wrap b) Satin or matt polyurethane only costs about $300 more that vinyl wrap for an average sized kitchen If getting polyurethane, ensure it is 2-pack polyurethane that is baked after application. Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 28Feb 24, 2008 7:57 pm thanks for summing that up
I was just wondering reading this informative thread.... is it possible to respray a 2pac kitchen later on? (like ten yrs on if colour fashion considerably changed) and whats the best way for builders to protect all our cabinetwork in progress, tops and cupboards (do they do anything?) Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 29Feb 24, 2008 8:46 pm From what I can gather, a total respray is possible. It would be done by removing all the doors and drawer fronts and sending them to the polyurethane sprayer. Wonder if anyone has done it? Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: 2 pack poly vs vinyl wrap 30Feb 25, 2008 8:46 am Don't forget that all of the painted end panels, fascias and in fills would also have to be removed or refinished on site - very big job to the point where you would consider replacing your cabinetry while you were at it - depends on the layout of the kitchen at the end of the day. Hey guys building a new place through a volume builder and just wondering if i should complain to the site supervisor as we just had plasterboard installed. Looks like… 0 11254 I am in the same situation, would you be able to give some insights in to this? I am in SA 8 17006 Vapour permeable wraps are recommended for any climate and main think it is allow walls to breath (i.e. remove water vapour) while at the same time, providing protection… 4 9762 |