Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Question about building close to easement!! 10Aug 14, 2009 9:58 pm Knockdown and rebuild - building Metr1con Nolan 41 (43) @ http://tim-and-tina.blogspot.com! http://www.verdantdental.com.au Re: Question about building close to easement!! 12Aug 15, 2009 1:03 am Building thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=22917 27.07.09 Contract signed. 08.09.09 Site scraped. 18.09.09 Slab completed! 23.11.09 Bricking done 09.03.10 - Tiling 15.04.10 PCI 01.05.10 Handover Re: Question about building close to easement!! 13Aug 15, 2009 11:03 am Hi tc2000, thanks a heaps for your experience! We're in Box Hill North, under Whitehorse council, redeveloping a block with a very tired weatherboard on it. I think the 6' easement along our side is "an appurtenance for sewerage and drainage" according to the land title in the settlement. I also contacted Dial Before You Dig month ago, trying to find out what was ****** in the easement - I'm finding it hard to interpret all the drawings and layouts, so I think I'll take your advice and visit the council and hopefully Yarra Valley Water this Tuesday to make heads or tails of it. It'd be pretty tragic to find our plans disallowed - from what I can tell of our siting, the house is about 20cm away from the easement, but the extended eaves "hang over" the easement, and there would probably be some impact on the easement for the "zone of influence" or whatever term is used. Anyway as we're only at preliminary stage now we've only put $1000 down, so best we investigate asap! thanks again for your input T&T Knockdown and rebuild - building Metr1con Nolan 41 (43) @ http://tim-and-tina.blogspot.com! http://www.verdantdental.com.au Re: Question about building close to easement!! 14Aug 15, 2009 11:14 pm slknv Hi tc2000, thanks a heaps for your experience! We're in Box Hill North, under Whitehorse council, redeveloping a block with a very tired weatherboard on it. I think the 6' easement along our side is "an appurtenance for sewerage and drainage" according to the land title in the settlement. I also contacted Dial Before You Dig month ago, trying to find out what was ****** in the easement - I'm finding it hard to interpret all the drawings and layouts, so I think I'll take your advice and visit the council and hopefully Yarra Valley Water this Tuesday to make heads or tails of it. It'd be pretty tragic to find our plans disallowed - from what I can tell of our siting, the house is about 20cm away from the easement, but the extended eaves "hang over" the easement, and there would probably be some impact on the easement for the "zone of influence" or whatever term is used. Anyway as we're only at preliminary stage now we've only put $1000 down, so best we investigate asap! thanks again for your input Hi there slknv, Not a problem...after what we went through with our easement and knockbacks, I thought it would be a good idea to share my experience. By going straight to the owners of the pipes and making your enquiries, it will help you a whole lot and you'll run round less in circles.I take it your prelim contract shows that you require dispensation (report and consent). So when you go down to your city council, pop into Engineering first (to ask for more details of the pipe - you would probably have to fill out some application form <our council calls it a "Point of Discharge" application> and pay a fee <we paid $35> to obtain the information in "writing". It may take your council a couple of weeks to send you the information but there's no harm also talking personally to the city engineer in charge of your area. He/she may even be nice enough to provide you with a cross-sectional diagram of the pipes in your easement (assuming there is a council pipe within your easement). And than since you're at city council offices, you may wish to pop into Town & Planning (Building division) and ask what needs to be done for your report and consent application. I hope that the pipe(s) is/are located deep in your easement. Yarra Valley's pipes are normally quite deep (more than 2 metres in some cases). If building over the easement is required, they would give advice on how this should be done (this is provided in their consent letter after you have filed an application of consent). We called Yarra Valley's customer contact centre (Generals and Faults team) and they emailed us a screen shot of the sewer assets in our easement. If your house is still 20cm from the easement, chances are you may end up having a retainer wall along the length of the easement (depth of retainer wall in the ground depending on fall of your land, angle of repose etc). Our house is 1.4m away from the easement and we have a retainer wall measuring the entire length of the house (21m) along the easement boundary!!!!!!! (We are building with D Family H). We're not doubting the need for it since PD also quoted us a retainer wall (before the project was abandoned) and M3tric*n also said that we would need a retainer wall along the easement. So 3 house designs with 3 different widths, D Family H's design being the furthest away, and in all 3 scenarios, retainer wall required (but we do have a fall of 1.2m across the building envelope too).... You should also check with your builder whether they would need to cut into the easement to take some land from therein for their cut and fill. When we were originally going with PD, they sited the house design 40cm from the easement but said that they would need to dig into the easement another 50cm for the site cut and subsequent fill. It is common that a 1m sideage from the house design width is required for site cut purposes. As I mentioned in my earlier post, our city council's engineering said no cos' their pipe was only 90 cm deep into the ground (offset from property boundary 1.83m) and the pipe was quite old (almost 50 years old). GOOD LUCK with your next steps! I hope all turns out well for you! &T Building thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=22917 27.07.09 Contract signed. 08.09.09 Site scraped. 18.09.09 Slab completed! 23.11.09 Bricking done 09.03.10 - Tiling 15.04.10 PCI 01.05.10 Handover Re: Question about building close to easement!! 15Aug 17, 2009 6:38 pm Thanks TC2000 - I called up the council today, and the very helpful lady in engineering called me back later that day - apparently our side easement has.... nothing in it! No stormwater pipe, no this, no that. She said I'd still have to apply for R&C to build over the easement (as the eaves overhang it) and get the sewer/water pipe layout from Yarra Valley Water. So I called YVW after that, and they said I only had the sewer pipe along the rear easement, but nothing in the side easement either! So it's looking good so far *touch wood*, we're meeting with M tomorrow morning to go through the preliminary contract. The only other hangup I have now is that M wants us to remove the fence adjoining the future garage wall as it's within 150mm of the boundary - I wonder if I can get around that at all, as I'm not sure the owners of the rental property next door will want the fence touched. If the easement on the other side isn't an issue, might see if we can shift the house a few cm over so they can build everything with the existing fences intact! thanks again for your help - I was actually surprised at how helpful both YVW and whitehorse council were! T&T Knockdown and rebuild - building Metr1con Nolan 41 (43) @ http://tim-and-tina.blogspot.com! http://www.verdantdental.com.au Re: Question about building close to easement!! 16Aug 18, 2009 1:11 am slknv Thanks TC2000 - I called up the council today, and the very helpful lady in engineering called me back later that day - apparently our side easement has.... nothing in it! No stormwater pipe, no this, no that. She said I'd still have to apply for R&C to build over the easement (as the eaves overhang it) and get the sewer/water pipe layout from Yarra Valley Water. So I called YVW after that, and they said I only had the sewer pipe along the rear easement, but nothing in the side easement either! So it's looking good so far *touch wood*, we're meeting with M tomorrow morning to go through the preliminary contract. The only other hangup I have now is that M wants us to remove the fence adjoining the future garage wall as it's within 150mm of the boundary - I wonder if I can get around that at all, as I'm not sure the owners of the rental property next door will want the fence touched. If the easement on the other side isn't an issue, might see if we can shift the house a few cm over so they can build everything with the existing fences intact! thanks again for your help - I was actually surprised at how helpful both YVW and whitehorse council were! T&T Hi there slknv, GREAT news that there's nothing in the easement at all!!!!! Your side easement probably was put there back in the hayday when the council weren't too sure about where to put the pipes.....! I am so happy for you BTW, if you want to move your design more than 150mm from the side boundary, you would end up having to put in dispensation for a reduced side setback under Regulation 414 of the Building Regulations! A house built on or within 150mm from the side boundary is considered as building on the boundary (Regulation 415). Siting your house more than 150mm from the boundary puts you in the side setback requirement of 1000mm (or 1 metre) from the side. So, if you want to be more than 150mm but less than 1000mm, you would need to make an application to your council for consent to have your side setback reduced. Is there any way for you to get in touch with the owners of the rental property next door to you? ciao, tc2000 Building thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=22917 27.07.09 Contract signed. 08.09.09 Site scraped. 18.09.09 Slab completed! 23.11.09 Bricking done 09.03.10 - Tiling 15.04.10 PCI 01.05.10 Handover You should be able to encase the sewer but you will need it designed and approved and access to lot 580 to do the work 2 18078 You might be able to apply to divert the sewer at your expense. In NSW you would contact a Water services co-ordinator and they would give you advice as to whether or not… 1 17509 Thanks - yea sounds like I need to submit build over easement application....ugh guess I better start finding someone who can do the engineering drawings 3 4050 |