Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 2Jan 13, 2023 8:50 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 4Jan 13, 2023 9:03 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 11Jan 13, 2023 10:46 am alexp79 Depends on your cladding, you would certainly need stronger beams to support bricks. On the drawing above you would also need a beam running throughout meals and family room perpendicular to orange wall and green beam. I also doubt that you will be able to find floor joists which will be able to cover complete distance between orange wall and green beam (it seems to be over 8 meters), so you are likely to end up with another beam running through the middle of the house. I don't think you would need to run them over the wall either, e.g. on your orange wall you would only need a beam to cover the home theatre. Thank you. Yes, might ditch the bricks for hebel for the first floor for the final design, if it brings cost savings. Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 12Jan 13, 2023 1:14 pm Designers and clients look at plans from the top down. Most of the structural support elements are missing. Try looking at it the way engineers look at it That is from the bottom up as loads are transferred from the roof -> wall-> steel Beams-> steel columns-> footings-> Ground or you'll get confused trying to rationalize load paths on an architectural drawing which focuses on the walls above rather than the supporting wall/columns below. Hebel still may require steel beams As I've suggest get proper engineering drawings done HTH Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 13Jan 15, 2023 10:06 pm I notice with my build that the framing company dictated the beams required. Now the person who plugs in the numbers is not an engineer as they rely on the software to design the whole frame. What I have noticed and I'm not happy about it, is they specified a UB above a door opening, but on the other side a girder truss. The truss would have been cheaper an easier to erect. That amongst many other things puzzle me. When quizzed they said it was too late to change the design. Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 14Jan 16, 2023 7:23 am It doesn't mater what software the framing company is using, structural elements still need to be certified by an engineer. Not sure why they are using a UB over a door opening as you haven't provided any plans or details. ( be careful not to infringe copyright) Unfortunately it's too late now as the builder would have no interest in optimising span/cost. I would also say the engineer is happy to go with an oversized member.. ie. more fees, charges and costs all round Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Steel beam location and impacts on costs/construction 16Jan 16, 2023 11:29 am You can use the limited info in the NCC steel supports for floor and roof loads.. What about Balconies with higher loads, structural masonry and hebel wall loads which relates to the initial post, where are they in the NCC? I see a reference to AS1720, AS4100, etc You've got the problem where the builder says I want an alternate method that's more costly, is he going to put in a cheap truss..? Check to see if your Building Surveyor and Council Building dept. will accept it and what their processes are? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ BTW, Here's the NCC where is the external Cladding? (1st post) another example of Pay a deposit and lol, we'll sort the cladding out later on... Along with the upgrade steel beams, steel columns, footings etc. Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Hi I am wanting some opinions about the build of a steel shed I am going to get one about 4.5 x 2.5 m steel shed and the height will be about 2.3-2.4m high The one I am… 0 14551 Hello everyone, After some suggestions and ideas about how to put a concrete path around the drop edge beam area on our new build. We are required to have a concrete path… 0 12953 |