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PM for queries. https://www.contractsspecialist.com.au/articles/ Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 11May 26, 2021 2:23 pm Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 14May 26, 2021 3:03 pm rajat EricHong rajat Thank you, John We engaged Houspect to inspect the tiles and they found 22 tiles that did not meet the standard. They have provided a report confirming this, which I have forwarded to Metricon (and they have forwarded to National Tiles) There are other tiles which are drummy but do not pass the ‘less than 80% glue coverage’ test. But 22 tiles is a lot more than the 4 or 5 tiles that Metricon/National tiles is claiming. Hi there, we have a similar issue with Metricon about drummy tiles. Our build is a Vantage 48 with some modification in Sydney, which is couple weeks from hand over. When we visited the site, we found there were some tiles in a toilet being taken down from the wall; see the photo: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Later on, Metricon put tiles back. I asked the site manager about this drummy tiles issue, he claimed Metricon followed the building codes (as expected from a site manager). We are concerned other tiles may have similar problems. Just wondering whether it's acceptable and worthwhile to engage an inspector (such as Houspect) for this issue. Any comment appreciated. Getting report from Houspect helped me!! The report identified 22 tiles not meeting the code (unlike the 4 or 5 tiles that Metricon & National Tiles was claiming). Metricon & National Tiles have sent a tiler to fix all the tiles identified in the independent report. Thansk rajat; I have contacted Houspect about this issue. Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 15May 26, 2021 5:15 pm EricHong Thanks! It is a good idea to build the case for maintenance extension. What does it mean by "lucky if you have <50% effective glue cover over the complete tile.... potential Borderline failure" Everything we engineer has a safety factor of >2 so that the chances of failure is negligible , eg If any fixings requires 2 screws / nails, apply glue complete surface and half the number/amount is applied then that is a highly probable failure and unacceptable. Furthermore, it would be non compliant as per the codes or manufacturers recommendations. The builder can argue its an alternate solution, but that will need to be certified by engineers that design the Australian Standards. I doubt any engineer would certify anything with 50 % less capacity. EricHong The site manager claimed that the glue coverage as shown in the photo was acceptable. Request his Qualifications, experience and calculations for future reference EricHong It seemed that Metricon detected some defects and knocked the tiles down. Just not sure what would happen to other tiles. I very much doubt that tiler will ever do work for them again... but that does not help you out now. As you have pointed out what are the chances of all the tiling being defective? Greater than Half? (humour) Then it would be reasonable to request an extension of the maintenance period just in case? Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 16May 28, 2021 6:17 pm StructuralBIMGuy EricHong Thanks! It is a good idea to build the case for maintenance extension. What does it mean by "lucky if you have <50% effective glue cover over the complete tile.... potential Borderline failure" Everything we engineer has a safety factor of >2 so that the chances of failure is negligible , eg If any fixings requires 2 screws / nails, apply glue complete surface and half the number/amount is applied then that is a highly probable failure and unacceptable. Furthermore, it would be non compliant as per the codes or manufacturers recommendations. The builder can argue its an alternate solution, but that will need to be certified by engineers that design the Australian Standards. I doubt any engineer would certify anything with 50 % less capacity. EricHong The site manager claimed that the glue coverage as shown in the photo was acceptable. Request his Qualifications, experience and calculations for future reference EricHong It seemed that Metricon detected some defects and knocked the tiles down. Just not sure what would happen to other tiles. I very much doubt that tiler will ever do work for them again... but that does not help you out now. As you have pointed out what are the chances of all the tiling being defective? Greater than Half? (humour) Then it would be reasonable to request an extension of the maintenance period just in case? Thanks for the detailed comments! Metricon's pre-site and construction teams have been disappointing. They did well in marketing; no wonder the guy from marketing visited Metricon quite a few times recently. Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 17May 28, 2021 6:25 pm rajat Getting report from Houspect helped me!! The report identified 22 tiles not meeting the code (unlike the 4 or 5 tiles that Metricon & National Tiles was claiming). Metricon & National Tiles have sent a tiler to fix all the tiles identified in the independent report. Hi rajat, do you mind if asking a question about the storage room under the staircase. The site manage claimed that it's Metricon's practice to leave the bottom of the staircase unsheeted, as shown in the photo below. Is this the same with your build. Really appreciated! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 18May 28, 2021 7:50 pm EricHong rajat Getting report from Houspect helped me!! The report identified 22 tiles not meeting the code (unlike the 4 or 5 tiles that Metricon & National Tiles was claiming). Metricon & National Tiles have sent a tiler to fix all the tiles identified in the independent report. Hi rajat, do you mind if asking a question about the storage room under the staircase. The site manage claimed that it's Metricon's practice to leave the bottom of the staircase unsheeted, as shown in the photo below. Is this the same with your build. Really appreciated! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The area under the stairs is the same at our house. It doesn’t bother us as we just use it for storage (also, that’s where we keep Harry Potter) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 19May 28, 2021 10:11 pm rajat EricHong rajat Getting report from Houspect helped me!! The report identified 22 tiles not meeting the code (unlike the 4 or 5 tiles that Metricon & National Tiles was claiming). Metricon & National Tiles have sent a tiler to fix all the tiles identified in the independent report. Hi rajat, do you mind if asking a question about the storage room under the staircase. The site manage claimed that it's Metricon's practice to leave the bottom of the staircase unsheeted, as shown in the photo below. Is this the same with your build. Really appreciated! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The area under the stairs is the same at our house. It doesn’t bother us as we just use it for storage (also, that’s where we keep Harry Potter) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Thanks, rajat. Harry Potter could be happier if Metricon sheeted the bottom of the staircase though Re: National Tiles & Metricon homes - Drummy Tiles 20May 29, 2021 9:35 am We already have established that structural members, good workmanship, building standards,etc require a min of 2 Fixings what I'm seeing is Scrap and cracked timber held together by one nail? Ask them to specifically include the stairs and extension to the warranty period should it start creaking later. odds on they'll be back to put in another nail OT, "Typically all show above the stairs and no/poor substance below" (engineering humour) when reading engineering drawings they are viewed from the beneath looking up , then connect the nodes (dots) as to how the loads are transferred to the ground/supported , on the other hand architectural plans are viewed from above, they don't care (squat) how its supported...which is more important? 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