Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 11Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pm Render manufacturers require the walls to be painted, yes some specify a mesh embedment into basecoat which helps with crack bridging. They do have mineral based systems (earthen natural pigmented renders) but these would not pass. That is incorrect about paint being integrated into the final render coat ( I assume you mean "Texture" "Colour"). They are a great finish coat, neat and tidy but they are not waterproof or do they form a film as required for closed cavity wall systems. When soil is placed against the 2 coat system moisture with migrate into the entire render but the "texture" will generally not blister over time like paint. With the system you describe, after rain or hosing a wall the colour will darken which is the "render" absorbing h2O, ie not waterproof. CSR does not provide any warranty for coating of fixings. How do you find and fix heavy items back to studs or provide back blocking prior to plaster and panels going on for things you have not made your mind up on? In the scheme of things there are some minor issues with Hebel Powerpanel XL but as a collective you see the product in a different light. thnks Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 12Jun 02, 2020 8:22 pm I wonder why would manufacturers produce a premix textured render coats if, as you say, they advice systems to be painted after? e.g. https://www.rockcote.com.au/ranges/coloured-renders They are waterproof and 20 times thicker than paint and clearly are not required to be painted. Also, why would you put soil against the render, I wonder? Silocone/silicate renders are waterproof too and won't change the colour under the rain. Those renders exist for ages and I still yet to meet someone painting over textured coat with colour or over silicon/silicate render. As for fixing, CSR is specifying Toy-YTox Ramplug to attach medium duty items to Hebel. So if to some reason Hebel won't be able to hold the load specified (26 kg), this will become the warranty case. Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 13Jun 02, 2020 8:56 pm are you referring to Keim silicate paint? Of course they are 20 times thicker than paint because there main ingredient is sand or marble chip, approximately 70-75% solids per bucket. Rockcote: Refer to their System Guide and Warranty spec. Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 14Jun 02, 2020 9:01 pm I am referring to silicate and silicone renders, not paints. There are many of those, such as: http://www.colourrenderaustralia.net.au/index.php/products/silicone-thin-coat Check out Rockcote coloured renders I provided in the link, they all have TDS files there, e.g. https://www.rockcote.com.au/sites/default/files/Concote_TDS_November2017.pdf It clearly says it doesn't require any painting, as otherwise why would they integrate paint into it? Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 15Jun 02, 2020 9:09 pm We are discussing Hebel Powerpanel XL. Check the Rockcote System page, all systems over 75mm Hebel Powerpanel have Armour or Clearcoat/Repel The often used 2 coat system (base & texture) still requires Armour coat x 2 They may offer short term warranties, but have not been able to find any info on the link you sent. Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 16Jun 02, 2020 9:14 pm Armoured mesh has nothing to do with painting over requirement, it is just a plastic mesh which is embedded into the base coat. TDS link I sent clearly tells that it can be over coated with ROCKCOTE Repel, Clearcote, Armour or Armour Flex, for added durability and lower maintenance.. Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 17Jun 02, 2020 9:20 pm Thats incorrect. How would you apply a mesh at Step 3 and Step 4, after basecoat and texture is already on the wall. https://www.rockcote.com.au/products/armour Re: Mode Facade Vantage(Metricon) - Hebel 20Jun 02, 2020 9:52 pm This is what I found helpful: http://www.ubiq.com.au/images/pdfs/Coat ... y-2016.pdf Some coloured render systems such as Concote I mentioned before, do not require painting over but would need 2 layers of render and come with only 7.5 years warranty, but other ones need to be painted and get 15 year warranty. Therefore, it looks like we are talking about 2 different render systems here, but you are correct saying that painting will be needed for some of the systems to extend warranty. I feel that life is much easier with silicone renders, where one coat has both color and provides 25 year+ protection (on top of base coat with mesh). I don’t really understand how they still manage to sell those acrylic ones requiring so much effort and still costing a fortune. One can get machine ready silicone render from Europe for $10 per sqm those days. Hi, First of all, thank you to this community for sharing your thoughts and opinions. We are in early days of our pre-contract stage for Metricon Doulton and we are… 0 3846 I was looking at different options for a fence for my build and Hebel PowerFence seemed like a good option (one of the criteria was a solid wall look). However, I don't… 0 4847 1 5045 |