Browse Forums General Discussion Re: builder construction quote details 2Dec 16, 2019 6:26 am Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: builder construction quote details 3Dec 16, 2019 8:28 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: builder construction quote details 4Dec 16, 2019 11:09 am Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: builder construction quote details 5Dec 17, 2019 7:42 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: builder construction quote details 6Dec 17, 2019 9:31 am Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: builder construction quote details 7Dec 17, 2019 9:54 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: builder construction quote details 8Dec 17, 2019 2:04 pm Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: builder construction quote details 10Dec 18, 2019 2:36 am Astonbrook noted the different opinions above. May I just bring out one key difference between buying a ready made car where you can see the final product vs something you have to build from scratch and pay progressively and often is a significant large amount and contains many variables that can make a major difference on the final price. It is interesting to note that builders & renovation contractors in some overseas countries, do provide major cost item breakdown. The same with tenders for major commercial or public works in some countries. It is thus amazing to me that consumers in Australia are expected to just take one lump sum for such a major expenditure. Guess I need to find ways to work around this major handicap and thanks for the suggestion on how to Hi Aston. I hear what you are saying but really it's the bottom line that is important. All builders will have different pricing structures for different parts. One may have better deals with some suppliers and not others. Some may have screwed some of their trades down but are prepared to pay more for others. Sometimes the quality of the trades will dictate the price. At time suppliers too the builders may not want the public and other competitors know the pricing structures they have with come to with builders. Itemised prices would only be part of the story. Ultimately you can't get different builders to build different parts of your house so what does it matter what each part costs, it's the final price that is of importance (although I'd add that quality is of equal importance). As you say a house has many variables so the only way to truely compare pricing is to control those variables as much as possible. Realistically this means having your own plans and complete specifications and getting all builders to quote on exactly the same build. Once you have your pricing, then you can start to negotiate. Unfortunately that's not the way many people proceed with building a house. Most people visit display homes, find a few floor plans that appeal, get some prices based on different plans and standard inclusions and then try to work out which is giving them the best value. All that's before they start adding in all the extras. It makes it just about impossible to compare pricing. The other option is to owner build. Then you are free to negotiate every single aspect of your build. You can get all the itemised quotes you want and cherry pick the ones that will give you the best price and quality balance. Personally I recommend this option but it's not for everyone. I can understand that no one wants to pay more for things in life than we have to, but builders are businesses and I guess you should expect them to be any more or less transparent about their business models and costings than you expect from Woolworths, Coles, Apple or a Ferrari dealership. What we should expect from builders is the same consumer rights as we expect from those other companies, but that's a whole other discussion. All the best with your planning and I hope you've got some pointers to help. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: builder construction quote details 11Dec 18, 2019 7:24 am Astonbrook ...... The same with tenders for major commercial or public works in some countries. It is thus amazing to me that consumers in Australia are expected to just take one lump sum for such a major expenditure. The same can be said for the WA mining industry which is world class, I might add best practice in the implementation of 3D BIM, data/proofs, simulations ,automation,etc,etc. Unfortunately public works is lagging behind Astonbrook Guess I need to find ways to work around this major handicap and thanks for the suggestion on how to Great, one word of advice stay clear of Architectural BIM software that fails to deal will engineering Bim/data Here Engineering Bim Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: builder construction quote details 12Dec 18, 2019 12:47 pm Astonbrook it seems most builders that I approached in Brisbane, give one lump sum for almost 90% of the total construction cost without any breakdown of individual cost item - How can I get detailed breakdown of individual cost to ensure the cost is competitive and not overpriced as most builders claim this is standard industry practice and refuse to give further breakdown of individual cost items? You are well within your rights to request a full trade breakdown. I build apartments and townhouses for a living and trade breakdowns are a mandatory part of the tendering process as you dont always want to just pick the cheapest price. Often the estimators will miss something or misinterpret the drawings. its also extremely important to have the trade breakdown so you can compare prelims and margins. You will find that these can differ significantly and knowing these numbers can help you with your negotiations. Having said that I doubt that the project home companies will ever give you one, but if you go to a smaller builder and tell them you want a trade breakdown you should be able to get one. My best mate builds mid to high end homes here in Sydney and he provides them as standard with all quotes. good luck Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: builder construction quote details 13Dec 18, 2019 1:01 pm Yes Sejae, glad to hear it can still be available, albeit rare as there are various reason why one would need a detailed breakdown of major cost items in a build Re: builder construction quote details 14Dec 18, 2019 1:02 pm I agree with Chippy here. A lot of people want to engage a building designer or architect for the lowest cost. They are the ones who should be providing them with a specification for the works but it costs extra for them to provide it and a lot of people don't want to pay for it. It's about the best way to compare apples to apples. I used to have people ring me up wanting a quote and the first thing I'd ask is send me the plans and specs. Those that only sent me the plans are just tyre kickers ( Ferraris and Kias ) and I'd get back to them with a quick quote based on the sq m knowing full well that I'd probably never hear from them again. Those that sent me both were obviously more serious so I'd give them a serious quote. Stewie Re: builder construction quote details 15Dec 18, 2019 1:10 pm Astonbrook Yes Sejae, glad to hear it can still be available, albeit rare as there are various reason why one would need a detailed breakdown of major cost items in a build I know I dont need to tell you this, but you are the client and you are well within your rights to ask for anything you damn well please. If this is important to you, keep asking until you find a builder who will give it too you and reject those who dont produce it. if you like I can PM you an apartment project I have just tendered so you can get an idea of what one looks like. Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: builder construction quote details 16Dec 18, 2019 5:30 pm Next time you go out to a nice restaurant you should refuse to order until they give you a breakdown of costs to arrive at the value of the meal you are about to order so you can ascertain that you aren’t getting ripped off. Re: builder construction quote details 17Dec 19, 2019 3:54 am SejaeD Astonbrook Yes Sejae, glad to hear it can still be available, albeit rare as there are various reason why one would need a detailed breakdown of major cost items in a build I know I dont need to tell you this, but you are the client and you are well within your rights to ask for anything you damn well please. If this is important to you, keep asking until you find a builder who will give it too you and reject those who dont produce it. if you like I can PM you an apartment project I have just tendered so you can get an idea of what one looks like. sure Sejae. I am interested to look at it to get some idea of costing Re: builder construction quote details 18Dec 19, 2019 7:37 am I have been giving quotes and receiving them from subcontractors and suppliers for 50 years and I cannot imagine why ordinary person just wanting to build a home would want a cost breakdown to unnecessary level of detail. You don't need it to ensure you are not ripped off, if you shop around then market forces will lead you to the best price for what you want done. Yes, over the years I have provided detailed cost breakdowns on commercial and government jobs but that was for the purposes of managing progress claims and only after the tender has ben won. As a builder I would be suspicious of a customer wanting this level of detail (red flags come up) and would simply decline to quote or put extra margin for the perceived risk of dealing with potentially difficult customer. The customer runs the risk of getting bogged down in detail, loosing the focus of the big picture and risking a blunder. You need to focus your energy on the things that matter. All you need to do is: 1 Know exactly what you want (and don't change your mind half way through the build) 2 Make sure you can afford it 3 Shop around and find the product you like and compare with competing products, then shortlist 4 Negotiate hard with the preferred builder, making sure they know you are talking to others 5 Make sure you have pre contract review, then independent inspections during your build Asking for cost breakdown isn't going to put any dollars in your pocket but it could loose you plenty. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: builder construction quote details 19Dec 19, 2019 7:59 am building-expert I have been giving quotes and receiving them from subcontractors and suppliers for 50 years and I cannot imagine why ordinary person just wanting to build a home would want a cost breakdown to unnecessary level of detail. You don't need it to ensure you are not ripped off, if you shop around then market forces will lead you to the best price for what you want done. Yes, over the years I have provided detailed cost breakdowns on commercial and government jobs but that was for the purposes of managing progress claims and only after the tender has ben won. As a builder I would be suspicious of a customer wanting this level of detail (red flags come up) and would simply decline to quote or put extra margin for the perceived risk of dealing with potentially difficult customer. The customer runs the risk of getting bogged down in detail, loosing the focus of the big picture and risking a blunder. You need to focus your energy on the things that matter. All you need to do is: 1 Know exactly what you want (and don't change your mind half way through the build) 2 Make sure you can afford it 3 Shop around and find the product you like and compare with competing products, then shortlist 4 Negotiate hard with the preferred builder, making sure they know you are talking to others 5 Make sure you have pre contract review, then independent inspections during your build Asking for cost breakdown isn't going to put any dollars in your pocket but it could loose you plenty. Probably one of the best posts I’ve ever read on this forum. Nailed it. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Re: builder construction quote details 20Dec 19, 2019 9:40 am You are better off getting your 3D Bim AEC house design completed on a cloud portal and then get/share 2D and 3D Model access Here Vectorworks Cloud Services Autodesk 360 Cloud The live data and build estimates,engineering, materials costs, trade details, constants, etc can be accessed via Google or excel sheets online anywhere there are small fees applicable Welcome to the team hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Hi All, This is our second home build and first time with a custom builder. They are small builder and have built some houses with good quality. They tender and color… 0 651 How are you doing Ben? Extremely interested in hearing what you are doing or plan to do! 12 15202 hey there! 😊 so, it’s kinda common for standard drawer depths to be around 500mm since most cabinets use this size to fit the usual runners… 3 21078 |