Browse Forums Pools & Spas Re: Fiberglass Pool Bleaching under the water line 55Nov 30, 2019 11:55 pm KazBoo This is very interesting so many people with around same age pools are having problems. Our pool is now 3yrs old and it's getting worse and our chlorine levels have been fine and we haven't used our pool blanket in over 12 months as we are too scared to in case this is contributing to the problem. If you look carefully at our pool sides under the water, it certain light, can see like a mixture of colour almost shiny surface but is patchy where like the coating has worn off. When our water level drops too low, we now have a white ring around the pool. I daresay if we drained water ours would also look like previous photos. Riverina came out, said it was too much chlorine, blamed us and told us to sand paper which we haven't. How can it be chlorine though when our levels are fine and it's getting worse? What can we do about this as a group? Hi KazBoo, I am experiencing the same issue with a Barrier Reef pool here in QLD. Like I mentioned in my comment below, I am now addressing this with SPASA. I have also advised them to look at this thread, the same issue is being raised over & over again. like i said to them, I am not a chemical engineer but having to keep within the very limited PH & Chlorine specifications is nuts, especially when they tell us how much extensive testing has been done on the pool shells from UV through to gel coat strengths. They BRP tell me the pool coat has started to oxidize. 2.5 years later, I have a pool that has deteriorated and looking much older. CLASS ACTION all these pools are made in the same factory (BRP, Freedom etc) same issues... Regards, Dalts Re: Fiberglass Pool Bleaching under the water line 56Dec 01, 2019 10:39 pm Sorry to hear you are experiencing the same issues as us too. The fact the problem is in other states too, not just limited to WA certainly means that it is a widespread problem that must be addressed. It is now a further 2yrs since the managing director of Riverina Pools came out and blamed it on high chlorine and our pool is worsening yet all our levels are great and we've used our pool blanket twice in this time as we are too scared too! The fact it's worsening though says it's a problem with the gelcoat. When you look down the sides of our pool you can see the patchiness and that something is coming off. What to do about it and how to pursue is the issue now. I'm really not sure how we go about this. The warrantys we're all promised in our investment are useless if the company's won't listen or admit a problem. How do we do it? Dalts KazBoo This is very interesting so many people with around same age pools are having problems. Our pool is now 3yrs old and it's getting worse and our chlorine levels have been fine and we haven't used our pool blanket in over 12 months as we are too scared to in case this is contributing to the problem. If you look carefully at our pool sides under the water, it certain light, can see like a mixture of colour almost shiny surface but is patchy where like the coating has worn off. When our water level drops too low, we now have a white ring around the pool. I daresay if we drained water ours would also look like previous photos. Riverina came out, said it was too much chlorine, blamed us and told us to sand paper which we haven't. How can it be chlorine though when our levels are fine and it's getting worse? What can we do about this as a group? Hi KazBoo, I am experiencing the same issue with a Barrier Reef pool here in QLD. Like I mentioned in my comment below, I am now addressing this with SPASA. I have also advised them to look at this thread, the same issue is being raised over & over again. like i said to them, I am not a chemical engineer but having to keep within the very limited PH & Chlorine specifications is nuts, especially when they tell us how much extensive testing has been done on the pool shells from UV through to gel coat strengths. They BRP tell me the pool coat has started to oxidize. 2.5 years later, I have a pool that has deteriorated and looking much older. CLASS ACTION all these pools are made in the same factory (BRP, Freedom etc) same issues... Regards, Dalts Re: Fiberglass Pool Bleaching under the water line 58Dec 02, 2019 1:42 pm There are a few problems with these cases above: 1: SPASA Members are not allowed to say anything detrimental against other SPASA members. Reason why it is extremely difficult to get anyone professional round to put in writing and confirm. That there is fault with the pool and confirm that lots of others have experienced the same thing. Please check member terms for SPASA. SPASA are perfectly aware that there is an issue but they are a member group, not one that supports the customers. (just ask them) 2: Everyone knows everyone in the pool industry and the "Gelcoat" that is presumed to be the one at Faulty product is definitely nationwide maybe even world wide is and has been used by many pool manufacturers. This is their lively hood and they will never admit anything is wrong, the pool manufacturers will just gradually stop using this gel coat manufacturer and use something else. (which a few of them have already done) 3: It is extremely hard to prove! YES Chlorine bleaching is a thing, You will need to have regular pool tests available. Showing that the PH is on average between 7 - 7.2 ph and Chlorine : 1-3 . Alkalinity: 80- 120 Phosphates 0. Those in the know will know that this is physically impossible! I have proved it. All pool shops have different ranges and even SPASA have different ranges, even your pool equipment has different ranges. The pool Manufacturer knows this and will play on the Customers naivety and lack on knowledge in the subject and make the Warranty Null and Void if these levels have not been maintained. Leave the blanket on for longer than a day (the one that they supplied you) , Don't turn down the Chlorinator when it is winter . and god forbid , PLEASE don't ever let people swim in it!! as this will throw out the levels completely! 4: For those of you who have bought a house with the pool. You have no chance (as the warranty is not transferable) Good old SPASA make sure of this in the fine print. 5: SPASA are there for the POOL members not the customers. There are Standards. (Which I would share but only have a licence for one) - These standards offer different ranges again from SPASA and the pool manufacturers and the pool shops The standards are only voluntary. 6: The only answer for us - is to replace, fill in or resurface the pool with different materials and go to a different system completely. and just be more aware this time round. I am happy to try and push for the Voluntary standards to made mandatory but be prepared this will take years. 7: on a last note, the last class action took place about a similar issue and it was 6000 customers and this was a drawn out process. 8: You do need to have proof though that your levels have been correct and regularly tested. Yes, I agree, we all spent thousands of Dollars on one single lifetime purchase and why should we have to prove that it is a manufacturers fault and we feel “scammed”. In a way we have. The on-going maintenance has certainly been “glossed” over. And made confusing. The Laws and the Swimming Pool Bodies that we thought were there to protect us, are not there at all. It would be interesting to know what pool owners were offered 1 year’s free pool maintenance from their pool manufacturer. (as this is unheard of, as they even know that the warranty levels are unattainable) 8: The only way is to go public and get everyone together. 9: Each Pool owner needs to collect all of their Pool test records, the receipt for the pool, and try and find out who the manufacturer of the Gelcoat was. They also need to have an idea of what they want As a conclusion. (To make right) In moving forward, we all need to spread the word to as many potential pool owners about the faults with our pools and the need for a better understanding of what is being installed. And get EVERYTHING in writing an maybe even request that the pool manufacturer maintains the pool for 1 year. (to cover all seasons) - even at an added cost it would be worth it! It will definitely sort The rogues from the professionals. Fiberglass Pool Bleaching under the water line 59Dec 02, 2019 2:06 pm It is not just 1 gel coat supplier and the problem is world wide . I have had been part of some local,testing for a American chemicals co . The fact that it is random puts more weight to claiming it is water ballance . I have core drilled a fibreglass pool Wh bleaching and sent to a lab to try to determine cause . I couldn’t get a definitive answer . It could of been chlorine bleached or could be under cured .
My recommendation is to get a automated water ballance system which constantly adjusts and records levels every few minutes such as the Omni logic system . Then it is impossible to blame water ballance . Re: Fiberglass Pool Bleaching under the water line 60Dec 02, 2019 8:20 pm Thankyou for your comment and the recommendation of the Omni logic system I have just had a look at it and although it seems to be good on the surface. I dont think (on first read) that it measures the alkalinity. This is one of the problems when the alkalinity reading goes below 80, the pool owner will need to add more "Buffer" this in turn increases the "ph" and then the pool owner adds more acid to bring the "ph" down and this also brings the alkalinity levels down and so the cycle continues and I have proven that it is definitely beyond my constant readings of the pool I cannot maintain the the 80-120 Alkalinity and a PH of 7-7.2 . It is impossible for me anyway, I would love someone to prove me wrong. And with the Omni logic system I cannot read anywhere where it maintains both of these levels (and also I presume it works off of sensor probes) which again would require calibrating and regular maintenance and replacing at some point. I am not putting the system down, but any automated system that is added to the pool, evidently pushes the owner away from the responsibilities of looking after the pool (makes them more relaxed) as they are told that it is fully automated and they dont need to worry. This is when things can go wrong if the system is left alone for too longer time period. Thankyou for your suggestion though. And yes it may be a faulty gel coat, or down to under cure, or down to the on going maintenance of the pool owner. As these 3 things are very hard to prove (apart for the pool owner) the pool owner normally gets the blame. Thats why we are all here . Hi all I am looking to run a water line under my concrete footpath which is directly next to my home, was seeing if this is possible without cutting the entire section… 0 20165 Hi everyone, Looking for some advise. We are about to build an above ground pool in our backyard. There is a private sewer line running under the pool at 1.6m… 0 11731 4 10817 |