Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 6Oct 28, 2019 9:15 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 8Oct 28, 2019 4:42 pm Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 9Oct 28, 2019 5:14 pm Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 10Oct 28, 2019 7:13 pm Yes Chippy is right unfortunately... The architect did try and say that was a solution but it would be at our cost as well. essentially the whole kitchen from the LHS of fridge and the island bench will need to be removed and a new one installed. I heard from Queensland architect board today who are also going to follow it up, they said they cant understand how its gotten to this point and why someones insurance hasn't covered it.... Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 11Oct 29, 2019 9:10 am sunny74 essentially the whole kitchen from the LHS of fridge and the island bench will need to be removed and a new one installed. To my eye, the bigger issue is the lack of symmetry between the left and right towers marked in green in the attached photo. That could be easily fixed by widening the left tower, and that would bring it back in line with the hallway boundary - perhaps not completely depending on dimensions, but would go some way to fixing your concerns and fix the asymmetry. You don’t show the right side of the island circled in red, but I would then match the new kitchen dimension by moving the island to the left, extended the benchtop of the island and match the waterfall on the left with one on the right too. You could fill the difference underneath with additional drawers or cupboards. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 12Nov 06, 2019 10:31 pm Ok, coming in from a recent new build. After the build we have what they call a handover inspection. Up until you then the property is under the builders ownership and responsibility. So after the build, the owners go in and inspect the completion with a copy of the ans and contract in hand. You point out every fault on the inspection plan. The builder then gets that copy and must either fix or reply based on what you have on your contract. Once satisfied you then sign over the contract that you are happy and its yours. I assume the same in principle happens there. So my question is did you notice this at the final inspection or afterwards. It appears fine to me and in proportion. If you are talking disproportionate why have the wide drawers in front of the narrow pantry and not in front of the wide pantry. That to me (and my opinion) would look better. I'll give you two examples we had. 1. A bathroom wall was to be solid brick. All 4 sides needed to be solid brick. They weren't so they demolished the walls and rebuilt it. Then re presented the house for inspection. 2. The 3 bathrooms had a shower recess (for shampoo bottles etc) they were on the plans as 600mm x 400mm x 20mm. Each one was not that and ranged up to 60mm different. Meaning shampoo bottles didn't fit. They pointed to the wording in the contract that said that there is a variance of up to 50mm due to materials variability. We lost that argument. Even though the drawings stated the dimensions. Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 13Nov 07, 2019 7:42 pm If you have engaged an architect for the design but not for the contract supervision and administration then you have missed the beat. I expect that a competent architect will pick up this kind of mistake and order the builder to demolish and rebuild but if architect is not supervising who will. Furthermore, architectural contracts have greater control over the build than industry building contracts.What type of contract have you signed? Regardless of all of the above, if the plans are correct then the builder is at fault. Builder is in charge, builder is the captain, builder has your money. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 14Nov 07, 2019 8:31 pm building-expert If you have engaged an architect for the design but not for the contract supervision and administration then you have missed the beat. Hi Building expert and thanks Architect was engaged for sketch design, design development, construction documentation and contract administration Specifically stating and included expense would be a major change beyond approved sketches. CA includes monthly meetings with builder and client, defects inspections at completion and asses builders progress claims and variations. Essentially we paid architect full fee for full services on advice from them for a seamless build. I expect that a competent architect will pick up this kind of mistake and order the builder to demolish and rebuild but if architect is not supervising who will. We picked up the mistake as soon as we noticed it and other architects who are friends of ours saw it as soon as they walked in. As soon as we notified the architect they made a site visit and said they understand why we would be disappointed and it’s cra$$y although we would be paying for any changes to remedy it they have accepted no responsibility other than blame us for signing off on the cabinet makers drawings which are different to theirs. Furthermore, architectural contracts have greater control over the build than industry building contracts.What type of contract have you signed? Unsure what type of contract it is... assume it’s a fairly regular type. Regardless of all of the above, if the plans are correct then the builder is at fault. Builder is in charge, builder is the captain, builder has your money. Problem is the builder, electrician and plumber worked off one set of drawings and the cabinet maker worked off another set. Neither the cabinet maker, builder or architect is accepting any responsibility. We have had preliminary discussions with boaq, qbcc and a solicitor. Any other parties you know who can help resolve this by chance. Qbcc will be in builders favour and boaq will be in architects. Cabinet maker is meeting us next week so will see what they have to say. We have everything documented and ready to fire off after the meeting. Is there a quick and easy solution to get someone to jump through the hoops rather than us? Thanks Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 15Nov 07, 2019 8:51 pm michaelyoni64 Ok, coming in from a recent new build. After the build we have what they call a handover inspection. Up until you then the property is under the builders ownership and responsibility. So after the build, the owners go in and inspect the completion with a copy of the ans and contract in hand. You point out every fault on the inspection plan. The builder then gets that copy and must either fix or reply based on what you have on your contract. Once satisfied you then sign over the contract that you are happy and its yours. I assume the same in principle happens there. So my question is did you notice this at the final inspection or afterwards. It may the case with a project build, but it is not always the case with a custom build, especially depending on the client's relationship with the build and the builder. Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 16Nov 07, 2019 8:55 pm I suppose the obvious question is why were there 2 sets of plans? There should only be one set of approved working drawings that have been signed off and form the basis for all construction. Who engaged and gave an alternate set of plans to the cabinet maker? Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 17Nov 07, 2019 8:55 pm sunny74 Is there a quick and easy solution to get someone to jump through the hoops rather than us? I wonder if part of the cause might not be evident there in your statement? Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 18Nov 07, 2019 8:56 pm building-expert Builder is in charge, builder is the captain, builder has your money. Funny, I've always been of a mind that no one looks after your interests better than...you. Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 19Nov 07, 2019 9:26 pm arcadelt building-expert Builder is in charge, builder is the captain, builder has your money. Funny, I've always been of a mind that no one looks after your interests better than...you. We paid a substantial fee for someone to manage as that is their profession. Google the definition of an architect or look in a dictionary. They are self professed experts who’s job I thought would have been not only to our best interests but to create a product they can use for their best interests... Going with your argument I may as well just built the whole house with my own two hands? Re: Cabinetry not build to plans on architect build 20Nov 07, 2019 9:36 pm Sunny. Do you have an answer to my question. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Your build is relatively simple, I believe your job can be easily done by a good building designer, you really do not need to pay for the architect. Remember, architect's… 3 10986 I've just had a look at the website. The company are just building broker's. There are plenty of similar companies that basically draw your plans (they own them so you… 8 10928 Really tight at the top of the stairs- how to get furniture into those rooms? Study books - does anyone really use them these days? Large storage closet would be more functional. 2 6885 |