Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 2Aug 19, 2019 8:04 pm 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 8Aug 19, 2019 9:42 pm Hi JB1, Thank you for the response. I engaged with this expensive builder with the expectation that he will deliver superior quality based on a few his previous customer feedback and a couple building awards he won in the past. Prior to the brickwork, the quality has been reasonable except 1-2 very minor issues, but Brickwork is a big part of the contract price so I'm reluctantly to accept poor workmanship. Even the issue may not be structural, I'm concerned that I'm paying a premium price for very average work, not a good sign at such early stage of the project. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 9Aug 19, 2019 9:44 pm arcadelt tweety123 Do you mind sharing how much labour cost did you paid per brick if your house is also in Sydney? I'm not in Sydney, but in regional NSW. Thank you! I know Sydney is very expensive so will hopefully hear some feedback later on Sydney brick laying prices. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 10Aug 19, 2019 11:05 pm tweety123 Hi thank you for your reply. I have engaged a building inspection company and will get them to go onsite to inspect the brickwork soon. My builder advised that the standard of brickwork for rendered bricks are lower than face/exposed bricks. I know it's true but I still expected better quality than this. Am I being unreasonable to expect a bit better quality for the prices that I'm charged? I would be surprised if the bricklayer received the same rate as he would have had it been an exposed wall. Sure, it will be rendered but the builder has charged a premium price, delivered sausages and guess who benefited? For the builder to have been offended by your "negative feedback" on the quality of his work for the price charged, I can only ask..."What quality"? Ask him (and your private building consultant) where in the NCC it is stated that masonery that will be rendered is exempt from the Standards to the degree that your wall is. The photos show very poor workmanship that is below acceptable limits. The problem with people accepting poor workmanship on the premise of 'out of sight, out of mind' is that builders and 'tradies' then push the limits to unacceptable levels that become endemic which is one reason for the broken state of the Australian building industry today. I hope that you include a pre plaster inspection. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 11Aug 19, 2019 11:29 pm SaveH2O tweety123 Hi thank you for your reply. I have engaged a building inspection company and will get them to go onsite to inspect the brickwork soon. My builder advised that the standard of brickwork for rendered bricks are lower than face/exposed bricks. I know it's true but I still expected better quality than this. Am I being unreasonable to expect a bit better quality for the prices that I'm charged? I would be surprised if the bricklayer received the same rate as he would have had it been an exposed wall. Sure, it will be rendered but the builder has charged a premium price, delivered sausages and guess who benefited? For the builder to have been offended by your "negative feedback" on the quality of his work for the price charged, I can only ask..."What quality"? Ask him (and your private building consultant) where in the NCC it is stated that masonery that will be rendered is exempt from the Standards to the degree that your wall is. The photos show very poor workmanship that is below acceptable limits. The problem with people accepting poor workmanship on the premise of 'out of sight, out of mind' is that builders and 'tradies' then push the limits to unacceptable levels that become endemic which is one reason for the broken state of the Australian building industry today. I hope that you include a pre plaster inspection. Thank you SaveH2O. This gives me some reassurance that I'm not being unreasonable. I will let the building inspector to provide feedback and try to hold this builder accountable. To your other comments, I agree that the brick layer may not have received the full $2/brick rate, but this rate already excludes the brick costs and the builder's margin unless he charges much bigger margin than he claims. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 12Aug 20, 2019 1:06 am What I meant to convey was that I think that the brickie would have been paid more for a normal (unrendered) quality job whereas this was a slap bang quickie. Most builders try to wrangle every extra dollar they can and they have many ways of doing it. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 13Aug 20, 2019 7:09 am SaveH2O What I meant to convey was that I think that the brickie would have been paid more for a normal (unrendered) quality job whereas this was a slap bang quickie. Most builders try to wrangle every extra dollar they can and they have many ways of doing it. I think so, too. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 14Aug 20, 2019 9:27 pm hi, it is irrelevant if walls to be rendered or plastered or facework. The perps are definitely too wide and you shouldn't have straight joints thru multiple courses (first 3 photo's). Stretcher bond should be at least one third I think (maybe a quarter). There can be situations with internal wall junctions where bonding can be awkward, this would need examination. All components of brickwork eg, mortar, brick unit, metal tie's provide the structural integrity and have to be done correctly. The builder may try and get job engineer to sign off as okay, I wouldn't accept that. I had an insurance company try this on a friend, brickwork worse than yours, straight joints, wide perps. thanks Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 15Aug 20, 2019 10:05 pm Hi Mirrmu83, thank you for the detailed comments. I've pointed some of the problems that you mentioned above to my builder. Now waiting for him to get the bricklayers to rectify the issues. I hired an independent building inspector ready to check out the work for me. I enquired a few brick layers with very good online reviews and much better quality work based on the pictures on their website. Those bricklayers charge $1.45-$1.55/brick (incl. GST) for the labour if the bricks will be rendered and they are all in Sydney. This gives me some ideas on prices vs good quality brickwork. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 16Aug 20, 2019 10:44 pm That looks horrific, especially that third picture. It's true that it doesn't have to be as neat if it's going to be rendered, but it still needs to meet basic standards. I took some photos of my old house when it was being built. Unfortunately, the resolution's not great, but the brick below is from an outer wall that will be rendered and it's significantly better than yours. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 18Aug 20, 2019 11:28 pm That would have to be one of the worse brick laying jobs I have ever seen, it wouldn't comply to the masonry code. I'm not sure how it works in NSW but surely there is a building licensing board or similar? I would make a complaint to them or the local council, I would be ropeable if that was my house, demolish and start again. Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 19Aug 20, 2019 11:56 pm IsabellaBoots That looks horrific, especially that third picture. It's true that it doesn't have to be as neat if it's going to be rendered, but it still needs to meet basic standards. I took some photos of my old house when it was being built. Unfortunately, the resolution's not great, but the brick below is from an outer wall that will be rendered and it's significantly better than yours. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Looks better quality than mine. The pictures in my original post are all from internal walls. Does this make any difference? Re: Appreciate your comments on the quality of this brickwor 20Aug 21, 2019 12:01 am Doozer1905 That would have to be one of the worse brick laying jobs I have ever seen, it wouldn't comply to the masonry code. I'm not sure how it works in NSW but surely there is a building licensing board or similar? I would make a complaint to them or the local council, I would be ropeable if that was my house, demolish and start again. The only government body in NSW is NSW Fair Trading. If you take a look at the reviews about it on Google, you will understand it doesn't do much for consumers. I am building Enfield 201 by Mimosa Homes - York Facade Link: https://www.mimosahomes.com.au/new-homes/enfield-201/ I did my colour appointment last week. I am looking… 0 584 I am in the same situation, would you be able to give some insights in to this? I am in SA 8 17053 |