Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Cost Variations post Quote 3Jul 17, 2019 9:00 am Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Cost Variations post Quote 4Jul 17, 2019 11:01 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Cost Variations post Quote 5Jul 17, 2019 11:12 am Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Cost Variations post Quote 8Jul 18, 2019 7:54 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Cost Variations post Quote 9Jul 18, 2019 11:53 pm 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost Variations post Quote 12Jul 21, 2019 9:18 pm 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost Variations post Quote 13Jul 22, 2019 11:35 am Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Cost Variations post Quote 14Jul 22, 2019 12:07 pm 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Cost Variations post Quote 15Jul 22, 2019 6:08 pm Norts33 StructuralBIMGuy Norts33 I think it makes sense to get the engineers report completed so that we have a more accurate read on the sealed system costs. If your engineer uses 3D Bim Engineering,then you should be able to extract Material Quantities, ie , m,m2,m3,etc Apply realistic labour Rates$ , allow for a reasonable builders profit and compare it to the builders final price. Be Wary Builders will always try to gouge back additional margins on variations and provision Costs/Sums, etc Drive a bargain in your favour and negotiate hth Thanks for the feedback StructuralIBIMGuy. I'm getting the impression that this builder is definitely gouging now which is disappointing as I've lost a lot of confidence in them now and am wondering where else in the construction costs are they gouging. Cheers StructuralIBIMGuy - Following on from the above, the builder has since come back advising: Provisional Sealed system: Engineering is not ordered until after contracts are signed and all client requested changes have been actioned, we should be able to obtain full engineering around 10 days after contracts signed. Once engineering is received we would get our plumber to do an on-site drainage inspection and provide a final quote off the back of that. I have spoken to the production estimating team to get an approximate amount on sealed system’s they advised typically they come back at around $8000.00 to $9000.00. I am not comfortable with this as i know if i sign off on a provisional amount, they will bank the upper amount. Any feedback on ways around this? Cheers, Norts33. Re: Cost Variations post Quote 16Aug 05, 2019 1:13 pm SejaeD Norts33 Hi, I am building a house with a volume builder (They build approx. 100 new homes a year) who I won't name at this stage. They have been very good to deal with to this stage (5-6 months) but was very surprised with our first tender meeting following on from receiving our build quote a fortnight earlier to be presented with the following cost variations after the initial quote: $5,000 for crane hire which we've been told is for deliveries due to restricted access to our block where there are neighbouring houses either side. $3,000 for rainwater tank. $8,000 provision for a sealed system which we've now been told is a council requirement as our block is in a flood zone/overlay. $1,500 in a few other minor changes. This is on the back of another $7,000 surprise we received at the quote stage for extending our first floor by a metre which we had been told that we had extra square metreage to utilise free of charge as part of the house design we were using. We've since been told that this charge was for extending the ground floor which we hadn't even discussed to date. It's fair to say some red flags were coming up for me so I promptly finished up the meeting and am now looking at all options. If anyone has some feedback on the above additional costs and particularly the timing of them (After the initial quote stage and after I had requested in writing to not have any cost surprises as we were working to a tight budget), it would be appreciated. Cheers. If you're in NSW PM me and as I know a lot of the major builders ( having worked for several of them) and I can give you some more accurate feedback as to whats reasonable. But I need more detail on your street for the crane ( what is important is to ask them how many lifts they will be doing and what size crane etc ie a 30 tone mobile v a franna as costs vary significantly. They may also hit you up for traffic control while lifting, but I can help you out in a Pm with more details. Suprising they have hit you up with a variation for a rainwater tank as they should be included as standard now ( maybe council requires a larger one). A 3000l tank with pump costs around $2500. Some councils require two so this may be fair anyway, i might be able to assist Cheers S G'day SejaeD, I have since received the following regarding the Crane Hire: Crane Hire: As discussed we require this due to insufficient access to your site for deliveries. We will require the crane hire (company we use for crane hire is called Conway’s) for the below:
As per above, they have allowed a provisional sum for $5,000 for Crane Hire and when i pressed them for a firm/fixed cost for Crane Hire (I know if i sign-off on the provisional amount they will just bank the $5k), the response was that this would be fairly close to the total amount needed when comparing to similar jobs they have required crane hire for. The block we are building on is in a very quiet court, bayside Melbourne therefore wouldn't expect traffic control to be an issue. Be great to get your feedback. Cheers, Norts33 Re: Cost Variations post Quote 17Aug 05, 2019 1:44 pm SaveH2O SejaeD A charged system is in basic terms uPVC solvent welding your 100mm PVC pipe ( to pressure seal it) and making sure they get the invert and discharge RL's correct. So $8k is a massive gouge If that is all they are doing, then a huge YES, it would be a massive rort for just solvent welding some pvc stormwater pipe to the adaptors. The only use that I can see for a tank is its use as a detention system unless it is an underground detention tank used to capture and pump surface water to a LPOD. If so, then they must have incorporated some of the additional costs into the $8,000. I await with interest. Hi SejaeD, Below is what they have provided me with on the Sealed (Charged) System: Sealed System: As discussed we will be able to fix the price for the sealed system once engineering is received, I will pass this onto you once obtained. Our plumber will then go out to site for an inspection and provide a quote off the back of that (our plumbers for your area are TNT plumbing). Engineering will be ordered once contracts are signed and all changes are finalized this takes around 7 days to obtain once ordered. They have provided a provisional estimate of $8,000 and are saying that it should be very close to that amount. They provided me with a very basic diagram which i will try to attached and explanation that the system manages storm water run off from either side of the roof of the house down gutter pipes to an underground pipe which leads to a water tank. Be great to get your feedback on this. Please note that we are in a Flood Zone/Overlay and they are saying that it is required regardless of who we build with as a requirement for our land contract. Cheers, Norts33 Re: Cost Variations post Quote 19Aug 05, 2019 1:49 pm SaveH20, SejaeD, above is the diagram that they printed off from the internet i think and explained to me is what the Sealed System setup is. I told them that i was going to get a plumbing contact to also quote on the job to ensure the costs they are proposing are fair and reasonable. Cheers, Norts33 Re: Cost Variations post Quote 20Aug 05, 2019 5:21 pm Norts33 If I was to print that rubbish out off the internet and submit it to the council for approvals they would laugh at me. A plumber wouldn't quote on that sketch, nor should you accept an PS estimate based on that. Engineering PSs are easy targets for cost hikes and most clients never query them.. basically clients trust Engineers..I'm finding trust isn't transferable to builders. hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs It seems very clear to me that your contract states that a security account does NOT need to be established so the answer to the builder is NO. If in doubt find a contract… 1 8501 Fair Trading can issue orders to rectify and complete but once the matter goes to NCAT these orders are automatically vacated. You will have to terminate contract and sue… 21 29679 The fastest thing a builder will do is bank your cheque, those systems work perfectly with lightning speed, everything else is slow burn. Just the way it is. 1 8702 |