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Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 166Jun 15, 2019 8:21 pm Well done but your reply didn’t make any sense to me. So you are not in the trades in any way and you want this so called Royal Commission? There are so many bludgers in the building industry we call them suits in utes you see them going to work everyday with nothing but air in the tray. I am not going to waste my time any more on this topic but to say that anyone who reads this do not support a useless time wasting taxpayer funded Royal Commission which will achieve nothing. Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 167Jun 15, 2019 8:30 pm Zorro6 the petition was started by the Builders Collective - a builder. It wasn't started by a pen pusher or somebody who does not understand the building industry. You have given your opinion about a way out of the current mess in the building industry - builders insurance. Unfortunately the government is not going to take any notice of anybody on Homeone. They would have to listen to a Royal Commission - which is why I and a thousand other people are agreeing with the Builders Collective. Something needs to change. Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 168Jun 15, 2019 8:52 pm Zorro6 Obviously you have never built your own dwelling or you would realise what can go wrong with a build with all the best intentions. I don’t fully understand your point but likk H20 you must be a pen pusher. Zorro6, you appear to be one who makes assumptions without basis of fact. You do not need to be an owner builder to know what can go wrong with a build and I can assure you that Liliana knows that only too well as do numerous others on this forum. The issue however is the basic right of a new home owner to be delivered a well built compliant product, something that doesn't always happen due to failed self certification, non adherence to required building practices and poor regulatory governance which encourages bad practices. For you to claim that Royal Commissions serve no purpose is highly debatable to say the least. BTW, your cheap shot statement that I am a pen pusher is also manifestly contrary to fact and I also found your comment to be unnecessarily insulting to persons who could be classed in that occupational category. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 169Jun 15, 2019 9:01 pm Zorro6, we actually agree on nearly everything,only what to do about it is in dispute,but insurance would only push who's pays,yes better for homeowners but let's bad builders still get off. Even if every customer was perfect in picking the right builders,there isn't enough good ones to support this, we got to stop bad building practices and if a royal commission will push start changes,then great,there is lots that could help everyone ,educating buyers would be a great start,unwinding volume builder led regulations would be helpful such as making it extremely hard for homeowners to go on site etc, The building consummer needs his rights back. Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 170Jun 16, 2019 4:34 pm In the news today: Mascot Towers unit owners to foot bill for repairs prompting calls for better consumer protections. See: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-16/ ... s/11214328 And I quote: Stephen Goddard, spokesman for the Owners Corporation Network — an advocacy group for owners in strata schemes called on the NSW Parliament to create a statutory duty of care to better protect consumers and said, so far, there had been no political incentive for governments to do so. "Most of our parliaments are on a sort of junkie hit when it comes to the building industry," he said. "The more they help the builder build, the more stamp duty they get, the more council and water rates come in. This is why we need a Royal Commission. Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 171Jun 17, 2019 9:08 am A copy of my post this morning on the Builders Collective petition thread: On Radio National this morning: Industry Minister calls for tougher regulation after latest building evacuation https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pgLGMMz9MG The above interview is with one of the writers of the Shergold Weir report into commercial building entitled[i] Building Confidence – Improving the effectiveness of compliance and enforcement systems for the building and construction industry across Australia, published last year and available here: https://aibs.com.au/Public/News/2018/ShergoldWeir.aspx No State or territory has yet adopted any of the recommendations. Unbelievably apparently in NSW currently you can build an aged care building or a childcare building without being a registered builder!!!! Unfortunately the interviewee doesn't see a need for an independent commission because "an enquiry would be even more damaging to the industry". I find this a specious argument. The fact that the government "knows enough" doesn't stop them doing nothing. As for consumer protections, Fran Kelly references the joke that you can get a better warranty on your white goods than you can on your million dollar apartment. And your half a million to a million dollar private house? Nobody seems to be talking about this. There is so much attention at the moment because commercial failures impact so many people and are so visible but if this is happening in the commercial sector it is because it is also happening in the private sector. The interviewee also raises the problem of how far the insurance industry is prepared to underwrite the building industry at the moment.[/i] Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 172Jun 17, 2019 1:36 pm Zorro6 Obviously you have never built your own dwelling or you would realise what can go wrong with a build with all the best intentions. I don’t fully understand your point but likk H20 you must be a pen pusher. What qualifications do you have ? Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 173Jun 17, 2019 1:37 pm Liliana A copy of my post this morning on the Builders Collective petition thread: On Radio National this morning: Industry Minister calls for tougher regulation after latest building evacuation https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pgLGMMz9MG The above interview is with one of the writers of the Shergold Weir report into commercial building entitled[i] Building Confidence – Improving the effectiveness of compliance and enforcement systems for the building and construction industry across Australia, published last year and available here: https://aibs.com.au/Public/News/2018/ShergoldWeir.aspx No State or territory has yet adopted any of the recommendations. Unbelievably apparently in NSW currently you can build an aged care building or a childcare building without being a registered builder!!!! Unfortunately the interviewee doesn't see a need for an independent commission because "an enquiry would be even more damaging to the industry". I find this a specious argument. The fact that the government "knows enough" doesn't stop them doing nothing. As for consumer protections, Fran Kelly references the joke that you can get a better warranty on your white goods than you can on your million dollar apartment. And your half a million to a million dollar private house? Nobody seems to be talking about this. There is so much attention at the moment because commercial failures impact so many people and are so visible but if this is happening in the commercial sector it is because it is also happening in the private sector. The interviewee also raises the problem of how far the insurance industry is prepared to underwrite the building industry at the moment.[/i] More protection buying a $2 burger from McDonald’s than building a house The parties have reached a mutual understanding in resolutio 174Jun 17, 2019 3:20 pm Zorro6 Well done but your reply didn’t make any sense to me. So you are not in the trades in any way and you want this so called Royal Commission? There are so many bludgers in the building industry we call them suits in utes you see them going to work everyday with nothing but air in the tray. I am not going to waste my time any more on this topic but to say that anyone who reads this do not support a useless time wasting taxpayer funded Royal Commission which will achieve nothing. Hey Zorro6, Thanks for your contributions to this thread. You sound quite passionate, however with due respect i don't think you fully appreciate how badly the average consumer is being ripped of by the home building industry at the moment. In my opinion the standard of workmanship across the trade base has never been poorer and licensing requirements in the home building sector are almost non existent ( building companies only need 1 licensed nominated supervisor who sits in the office, the guys actually supervising construction dont need to be licensed and in many cases dont understand basic Australian standards). The HIA contract is so biased against the consumer, and even when consumers have lawyers check the contracts the building companies refuse to make changes in most cases. Payment terms are heavily in favour of the building companies so the consumer is cashflowing the builder's business and you have very little recourse against the builder. There really is more consumer protection if you buy a $2 cheesburger than a $800k house. Whilst I get your passion, unfortunately you are completely wrong on this one. The parties have reached a mutual understanding in resolution of each of the other parties concerns Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Builder demands $201,118 for non compliant defective wor 175Jun 17, 2019 5:39 pm Liliana A copy of my post this morning on the Builders Collective petition thread: On Radio National this morning: Industry Minister calls for tougher regulation after latest building evacuation https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pgLGMMz9MG The above interview is with one of the writers of the Shergold Weir report into commercial building entitled[i] Building Confidence – Improving the effectiveness of compliance and enforcement systems for the building and construction industry across Australia, published last year and available here: https://aibs.com.au/Public/News/2018/ShergoldWeir.aspx No State or territory has yet adopted any of the recommendations. Unbelievably apparently in NSW currently you can build an aged care building or a childcare building without being a registered builder!!!! Unfortunately the interviewee doesn't see a need for an independent commission because "an enquiry would be even more damaging to the industry". I find this a specious argument. The fact that the government "knows enough" doesn't stop them doing nothing. As for consumer protections, Fran Kelly references the joke that you can get a better warranty on your white goods than you can on your million dollar apartment. And your half a million to a million dollar private house? Nobody seems to be talking about this. There is so much attention at the moment because commercial failures impact so many people and are so visible but if this is happening in the commercial sector it is because it is also happening in the private sector. The interviewee also raises the problem of how far the insurance industry is prepared to underwrite the building industry at the moment.[/i] Fascinating, too, that with the apartment purchase one is effectively buying only access to an air-space and a whole range of responsibilities linked to that particular space. The parties have reached a mutual understanding in resolutio 177Jun 19, 2019 1:10 pm The parties have reached a mutual understanding in resolution of each of the other parties concerns Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au The parties have reached a mutual understanding in resolutio 179Jun 19, 2019 1:30 pm cag57 Good to hear your coming along well, looks good! How wide is the design? 15/16m? its actually 19.5m, we have a 34m wide frontage Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au ask the surveyor for clarification would be the logical approach 1 20144 Thanks mate. Yeah good points! Leaning towards Option 3 to get a bit extra space in the cabinets but not going too crazy high (and expensive). Would require a mini… 13 39742 Hi All, I just wanted to close this topic out with an update. So we ended up agreeing to a number with the insurance company, and after an extensive amount of hand… 8 23405 |