Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Hebel Or Bricks 22Mar 20, 2019 10:33 pm alexp79 Depends on your personal preference. In my opinion, brick houses look outdated and "cheapish". Check out all those contemporary looking luxury builds at Bel Air or Beverly Hills - almost 99% of them are rendered. Don't worry about brick longevity, newly built brick veneer Australian homes are not designed or built to last longer than 20-25 years anyway and you will have much more issues to deal with rather than your interior looks thereafter. Render will require a bit maintenance then bricks as the house will be settling and minor cracking will be appearing here and there. High quality renders are designed to last 25-40 years those days, though. Make sure you use "breathable" render though. Insulation and acoustic benefits of AAC will be quite noticeable too, as it prevents thermal bridging of your timber frame (although I would also prefer to use AAC for thermal mass too). House walls in Sydney are recommended to have at least R=2.8 but rarely achieve even R=2 due to thermal bridging in the frames. Hope it helps. What the? Brick veneer Australian Homes are built to only last 20 -25 years? So you’re saying a mortgage on the construction of a new house may outlast the actual house itself? I’m interested in the evidence you have to support this claim. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 23Mar 20, 2019 11:38 pm Bebbsy alexp79 Depends on your personal preference. In my opinion, brick houses look outdated and "cheapish". Check out all those contemporary looking luxury builds at Bel Air or Beverly Hills - almost 99% of them are rendered. Don't worry about brick longevity, newly built brick veneer Australian homes are not designed or built to last longer than 20-25 years anyway and you will have much more issues to deal with rather than your interior looks thereafter. Render will require a bit maintenance then bricks as the house will be settling and minor cracking will be appearing here and there. High quality renders are designed to last 25-40 years those days, though. Make sure you use "breathable" render though. Insulation and acoustic benefits of AAC will be quite noticeable too, as it prevents thermal bridging of your timber frame (although I would also prefer to use AAC for thermal mass too). House walls in Sydney are recommended to have at least R=2.8 but rarely achieve even R=2 due to thermal bridging in the frames. Hope it helps. What the? Brick veneer Australian Homes are built to only last 20 -25 years? So you’re saying a mortgage on the construction of a new house may outlast the actual house itself? I’m interested in the evidence you have to support this claim. Well, there are many credible builders and builders experts out here who can provide you more insights regarding to the overall build quality of the houses (and materials used) being built those days and what it will take to maintain them once the problems start appearing. You can also read through some posts etc. people write here regarding issues with their own builds. The house is surely unlikely to break apart (although, still can in strong tornado/hurricane conditions, especially, when penetrated by the debris), but major structural works will be most likely be needed in order to keep the house habitable. Soil changes with waffle pod slabs, termites, mineral insulation, moisture issues, poor maintenance etc. - I can name probably name dozen of different factors which may affect the lifespan. Here is a good discussion on Whirpool: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2345675 Re: Hebel Or Bricks 24Mar 21, 2019 7:24 am Thank you all for your replies and suggestions. The house I am building is my current plan to live in that house for around 6 to 7 years. I don't mind having rendering or bricks as far as they look good from outside. Also, I can wash or repaint if required after 6 to 7 years. Whereas I know bricks don't require such things unless it is rendered. So, my thinking was to get on hebel panels as they have positive feedbacks unless if they are not expensive to put on inclined land. If the difference is of only around $10k to put on hebel than bricks then whichever best, long lasting and cheaper one should do the job. Has anyone lived in hebel panels house for a long time and then anyone have had bad feelings or experiences? Eveyone know bricks is a proven material and there is nothing wrong applying them in houses but hebel being only 20years old in Australia and they have just started getting used in new houses in a large amount 10years or so. These days big companies like Metricon, porter davis etc promoting hebel alot in order to roll out the hebel products in a vast amount. Not sure what are hidden facts of the hebel products as they are never told by the companies promoting them. So, not sure if hebel products are really viable to use as it is a big decision to take while constructing houses. Moreover, I have noticed one thing that companies promoting hebel products or even hebel website do not mention about the warranty or durability in years of the hebel products anywhere. There is no doubt that new houses look good when built as they are new regardless the material used but keeping in mind the durability should also be considered. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 25Mar 21, 2019 12:23 pm AAC has been around for almost a century already. CSR started producing it in 1990, almost 30 years ago. It is a relatively simple material composed of quartz sand, calcined gypsum, lime, cement, water and aluminium powder and is very well known for its outstanding qualities including insulation, south deadening and mould resistance. Used heavily Europe, Asia and US for load bearing construction. I would say if installed properly, AAC panels can potentially outlast the bricks as there is no weak link = mortar being used. Bricks are always as good as and as durable as the quality of mortar being used (which is relatively easy to mess up). There won't be any reasonable warranty on your bricks too as it is not a structural component. Just my 2 cents. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 26Mar 21, 2019 1:25 pm 20 years ago had a few spare aerated concrete blocks which were then used as part of an outdoor landscaping project - OK, shouldn't do that - last time I saw those unpainted, untreated , much rained upon blocks they were a bit rounded off on the edges but remained completely intact. Wouldn't use them in a house though. Buyers still don't like the material. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 27Mar 22, 2019 8:25 am While I'm super-duper dubious about alexp79's claims about brick houses needing all sorts of ongoing maintenance (having lived in brick-veneer houses about 60, 50, 30, 20, 10 & 3 years old without any of those problems), there's honestly nothing new about Hebel on a worldwide scale. For example when my better-half's family moved from (West) Germany circa 1980 it was a very common construction material for housing … great jumping jellybeans, we're talking 40+ years ago, and it was old then! Style/fashion are different ... rendered houses these days look like gold-plated badges on a Camry to me ... but I wouldn't be at all worried about any "unknown" longevity issues. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 28Mar 22, 2019 9:06 am Make up your own mind? Here's an WA Government Old Hansard extract relating to Thermalite problems in Perth, the product has long been abandoned but there are a huge number of homes in disrepair today, LOL, which a lick of paint won't fix These houses resell below market value. "The fourth issue concerns Homeswest and the use of Thermalite blocks. When I was a member of the other place I waged a campaign against Thermalite blocks, which have been developed by a company known as BGC. Thermalite blocks are lightweight, aerated, concrete blocks which are used in housing construction. Although their properly constructed, properly manufactured counterparts are used successfully elsewhere in the world, unfortunately the history of the product in Western Australia has not been good. It has been suggested that the product is not properly developed. Use of those blocks has been abandoned even by companies associated with the manufacturer. The only organisation that seems still to use Thermalite blocks is Homeswest. Over the past four years there has been a dramatic increase in the percentage of Homeswest work obtained by BGC and BGC-related companies. Notwithstanding that a building's specifications may require double clay brick, the Buckeridge group of companies is able to win contracts using cheap Thermalite blocks. One of the problems associated with Thermalite blocks is that it is difficult to affix proper hard-set plasters to them, so gyprock, which is not standard in Western Australian homes, is now used. In fact, the only homes in which gyprock is used are buildings that have been built with Thermalite blocks. The plaster has come away and gyprock has had to be used to mask the problems associated with Thermalite blocks." my2c, The cutting edge in building technology is often the Bleeding Edge Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Hebel Or Bricks 29Mar 22, 2019 9:18 am Thank you all for your replies. I am still deciding whether to go with hebel or bricks as some people say using bricks on inclined land will cost more due to scaffolding used by brickies though it is single storey house due to height will go above 3metres and they require scaffolding. Also, if I use charcoal bricks then the sand and cement will be different to the standard ones which will again cost more. Whereas this is not the case with hebel but I am still unclear with hebel or bricks. this is getting confusing for me. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 30Mar 22, 2019 9:30 am rameshbhai Thank you all for your replies. I am still deciding whether to go with hebel or bricks as some people say using bricks on inclined land will cost more due to scaffolding used by brickies though it is single storey house due to height will go above 3metres and they require scaffolding. Also, if I use charcoal bricks then the sand and cement will be different to the standard ones which will again cost more. Whereas this is not the case with hebel but I am still unclear with hebel or bricks. this is getting confusing for me. What does your builder have to say? Re: Hebel Or Bricks 31Mar 22, 2019 10:08 am I haven't approached builder yet because it is still at preliminary desing stage and council has requested to let them know if it will rendered or not. So, my project manager who is friend of mine said it will be easy and cheap to use hebel panels becuase that will save cost compare to bricks Re: Hebel Or Bricks 32Mar 22, 2019 1:26 pm Hebel def has it's benefits - thermal and insulation properties as well as a better fire rating. A single storey home you could potentially finish in a couple of days negating the costs for extra labour and scaffolding if required. With Basix and BAL so prominent these days Hebel is a great alternative. To get a decent brick you will need to pay extra most standard range of bricks aren't attractive at all. The downside to Hebel is you can't affix heavy objects directly to it but there are ways around it.The finish is second to none in my opinion. Hope this helps... Re: Hebel Or Bricks 33Mar 25, 2019 7:22 am Thank you all for your replies. Since the house will be built on inclined land and my current plan to live in that house is for around 6 to 7 years. So, I have decided to go with hebel panel if nothing worse turn up. So far from my research hebel panels have positive feedbacks and turning to be good in the building industry. Saying that blocks are not forgotten too as they have always been around us and proven a good shelter for houses. But, keeping in mind the budget, cost and time hebel suits for my project. Supercharger, as you said downside to Hebel is you can't affix heavy object directly, so my plan is not to drill too much or hang those heavy objects on the outside wall of the house. Small nails and screws here and there will be usual. If someone still has any ideas please free to throw them here, so that I can share the same with another person like me who may require information about hebel vs bricks in the future for their houses. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 34Jun 02, 2019 2:11 pm We are also about to build on inclined land and have been analysing the cost of Hebel cladding. From what I can gather the cost of the recommended render may be $90 per sq metre and is by far the costliest part of a Hebel installation. Given a 2600x600x75mm panel may be $90-$100. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 35Jun 03, 2019 8:51 am DavJude We are also about to build on inclined land and have been analysing the cost of Hebel cladding. From what I can gather the cost of the recommended render may be $90 per sq metre and is by far the costliest part of a Hebel installation. Given a 2600x600x75mm panel may be $90-$100. Hi Dav, Thanks for replying to the post and giving the idea of putting hebel panels for inclined land. Just, wondering how big your house will be in sqs wise and how much total will be roughly at the end of the day just to put the Hebel panels? What have you decided at the end? I had discussed with my project manager and he said Hebel is good, cheap, easier and time saving to install them compare to bricks. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 36Jun 03, 2019 12:26 pm Bebbsy alexp79 Depends on your personal preference. In my opinion, brick houses look outdated and "cheapish". Check out all those contemporary looking luxury builds at Bel Air or Beverly Hills - almost 99% of them are rendered. Don't worry about brick longevity, newly built brick veneer Australian homes are not designed or built to last longer than 20-25 years anyway and you will have much more issues to deal with rather than your interior looks thereafter. Render will require a bit maintenance then bricks as the house will be settling and minor cracking will be appearing here and there. High quality renders are designed to last 25-40 years those days, though. Make sure you use "breathable" render though. Insulation and acoustic benefits of AAC will be quite noticeable too, as it prevents thermal bridging of your timber frame (although I would also prefer to use AAC for thermal mass too). House walls in Sydney are recommended to have at least R=2.8 but rarely achieve even R=2 due to thermal bridging in the frames. Hope it helps. What the? Brick veneer Australian Homes are built to only last 20 -25 years? So you’re saying a mortgage on the construction of a new house may outlast the actual house itself? I’m interested in the evidence you have to support this claim. he sits in his mothers basement and sprouts crap Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Hebel Or Bricks 37Jun 03, 2019 12:28 pm rameshbhai Thank you all for your replies. Since the house will be built on inclined land and my current plan to live in that house is for around 6 to 7 years. So, I have decided to go with hebel panel if nothing worse turn up. So far from my research hebel panels have positive feedbacks and turning to be good in the building industry. Saying that blocks are not forgotten too as they have always been around us and proven a good shelter for houses. But, keeping in mind the budget, cost and time hebel suits for my project. Supercharger, as you said downside to Hebel is you can't affix heavy object directly, so my plan is not to drill too much or hang those heavy objects on the outside wall of the house. Small nails and screws here and there will be usual. If someone still has any ideas please free to throw them here, so that I can share the same with another person like me who may require information about hebel vs bricks in the future for their houses. The 75mm hebel panels are great. We use them on our apartments. The issue you have is finding a reputable installer Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Hebel Or Bricks 38Jun 03, 2019 12:40 pm SejaeD rameshbhai Thank you all for your replies. Since the house will be built on inclined land and my current plan to live in that house is for around 6 to 7 years. So, I have decided to go with hebel panel if nothing worse turn up. So far from my research hebel panels have positive feedbacks and turning to be good in the building industry. Saying that blocks are not forgotten too as they have always been around us and proven a good shelter for houses. But, keeping in mind the budget, cost and time hebel suits for my project. Supercharger, as you said downside to Hebel is you can't affix heavy object directly, so my plan is not to drill too much or hang those heavy objects on the outside wall of the house. Small nails and screws here and there will be usual. If someone still has any ideas please free to throw them here, so that I can share the same with another person like me who may require information about hebel vs bricks in the future for their houses. The 75mm hebel panels are great. We use them on our apartments. The issue you have is finding a reputable installer Hi Sejade, I agree you on this. And my concern will be the same when installing panels. Not sure how the regular builders install them though. Re: Hebel Or Bricks 39Jun 03, 2019 1:04 pm rameshbhai SejaeD rameshbhai Thank you all for your replies. Since the house will be built on inclined land and my current plan to live in that house is for around 6 to 7 years. So, I have decided to go with hebel panel if nothing worse turn up. So far from my research hebel panels have positive feedbacks and turning to be good in the building industry. Saying that blocks are not forgotten too as they have always been around us and proven a good shelter for houses. But, keeping in mind the budget, cost and time hebel suits for my project. Supercharger, as you said downside to Hebel is you can't affix heavy object directly, so my plan is not to drill too much or hang those heavy objects on the outside wall of the house. Small nails and screws here and there will be usual. If someone still has any ideas please free to throw them here, so that I can share the same with another person like me who may require information about hebel vs bricks in the future for their houses. The 75mm hebel panels are great. We use them on our apartments. The issue you have is finding a reputable installer Hi Sejade, I agree you on this. And my concern will be the same when installing panels. Not sure how the regular builders install them though. the issue is, that you dont need a licence to install panels so there are a lot of cowboys. Having said that I have a very good installer, so if you go down this road let me know and I can give you his details. I also know the management at CSR quite well and they are good at recommending approved installers Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Hebel Or Bricks 40Jun 03, 2019 4:17 pm SejaeD Bebbsy alexp79 Depends on your personal preference. In my opinion, brick houses look outdated and "cheapish". Check out all those contemporary looking luxury builds at Bel Air or Beverly Hills - almost 99% of them are rendered. Don't worry about brick longevity, newly built brick veneer Australian homes are not designed or built to last longer than 20-25 years anyway and you will have much more issues to deal with rather than your interior looks thereafter. Render will require a bit maintenance then bricks as the house will be settling and minor cracking will be appearing here and there. High quality renders are designed to last 25-40 years those days, though. Make sure you use "breathable" render though. Insulation and acoustic benefits of AAC will be quite noticeable too, as it prevents thermal bridging of your timber frame (although I would also prefer to use AAC for thermal mass too). House walls in Sydney are recommended to have at least R=2.8 but rarely achieve even R=2 due to thermal bridging in the frames. Hope it helps. What the? Brick veneer Australian Homes are built to only last 20 -25 years? So you’re saying a mortgage on the construction of a new house may outlast the actual house itself? I’m interested in the evidence you have to support this claim. he sits in his mothers basement and sprouts crap What a Richard this Sej bloke is with his constant "I'm so right" comments and his ongoing insulting of others. Gor Blimey, no wonder folk have buggered off from this H1 site due to posters like him being around! I was looking at different options for a fence for my build and Hebel PowerFence seemed like a good option (one of the criteria was a solid wall look). However, I don't… 0 5954 1 6757 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6409 |