Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 2Mar 03, 2019 3:19 pm 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 3Mar 06, 2019 7:17 am Build thread: Metricon Liberty 45 in Ryde, NSW Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 4Mar 06, 2019 10:56 pm The HIA contract that Metricon use says the home has to be built to Australian building code. If it is not then your private building inspector (NOT surveyor) will tell you and this is the proof you need to get it fixed before handover. If the building is to code then you need to find a new insurance company. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 5Mar 07, 2019 9:49 am sweetswisssteel The HIA contract that Metricon use says the home has to be built to Australian building code. If it is not then your private building inspector (NOT surveyor) will tell you and this is the proof you need to get it fixed before handover. Very, very few private building consultants know the applicable plumbing regulations and will quite understandably not get up onto a roof in any case due to OHS regulations and insurance requirements. The (old) thread below is a member's recommendation to have a qualified independent roof inspection and I expanded on the recommendation to also include roof drainage. viewtopic.php?p=971303#p971303 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 6Mar 09, 2019 11:20 am SaveH2O sweetswisssteel The HIA contract that Metricon use says the home has to be built to Australian building code. If it is not then your private building inspector (NOT surveyor) will tell you and this is the proof you need to get it fixed before handover. Very, very few private building consultants know the applicable plumbing regulations and will quite understandably not get up onto a roof in any case due to OHS regulations and insurance requirements. The (old) thread below is a member's recommendation to have a qualified independent roof inspection and I expanded on the recommendation to also include roof drainage. viewtopic.php?p=971303#p971303 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ FYI, here are a couple of photos of the non compliant parapet box gutter sumps that Metricon had to replace after we demanded their replacement during construction. The single outlet is prone to blocking causing water to leak into the house. The parapet box gutter sumps on their display homes were the same as this, therefore I assume all the Metricon homes built over the past 5 years with parapets are the same! I suggest Metricon should correct them all. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 7Mar 09, 2019 11:42 am Always hire a good independent building inspection service. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 8Mar 09, 2019 12:50 pm Looks like they never had a vertical downpipe or an overflow provision? As a matter of interest, side outlets are much less efficient than vertical outlets in any case. The minimum sump size is 400mm L, 200mm W, 150mm H. You were very fortunate to have an unusually benevolent insurance company. I see a lot of box gutter non compliance, particularly where portico box gutters change direction without each section having its own separate drainage. Non compliant undersize overflow provisions on rainheads are also common. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 9Mar 10, 2019 11:25 am Yes, You are correct. There was no vertical down pipe or an overflow provision. Metricon said this was design was normal practice and was the same as all the other 500 box gutters they produced in NSW in 2017/18 and were surprised that it did not comply with AS/NZS 3500.3. The design pictured was replaced with a new design. Metricon later had no hesitation blaming their gutter supplier, Stoddart Group for the non compliant gutter.
Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 10Mar 10, 2019 11:35 am The thing is that non compliance can be worked around by the builder with a letter from an engineer or other qualified professionals. Non compliance doesn't mean wrong, it just means another way to do it. Just insist on it being built to comply and you can't really go wrong. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 11Mar 10, 2019 12:08 pm sweetswisssteel The thing is that non compliance can be worked around by the builder with a letter from an engineer or other qualified professionals. Non compliance doesn't mean wrong, it just means another way to do it. Just insist on it being built to comply and you can't really go wrong. In some instances yes but not in this instance because it doesn't meet the performance requirement of the NCC by a huge margin. It is pretty poor that the Metricon plumbers who have been installing the sumps have self certified the work as compliant and it also highlights the folly of having Building Surveyors only sighting the Certificate Of Compliance as proof of compliance. Every plumber who has certified the past installations and every Building Surveyor who has ticked off on the plumbers work as complying should be identified and investigated but that is highly unlikely to happen. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 12Mar 10, 2019 12:19 pm SaveH2O sweetswisssteel The thing is that non compliance can be worked around by the builder with a letter from an engineer or other qualified professionals. Non compliance doesn't mean wrong, it just means another way to do it. Just insist on it being built to comply and you can't really go wrong. In some instances yes but not in this instance because it doesn't meet the performance requirement of the NCC by a huge margin. It is pretty poor that the Metricon plumbers who have been installing the sumps have self certified the work as compliant and it also highlights the folly of having Building Surveyors only sighting the Certificate Of Compliance as proof of compliance. Every plumber who has certified the past installations and every Building Surveyor who has ticked off on the plumbers work as complying should be identified and investigated but that is highly unlikely to happen. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 13Mar 10, 2019 12:35 pm I agree but a Royal Commission couldn't possibly investigate the building industry in its entirety anyway, there would be far too many terms of reference required and it would take too long. I am surprised though that a Royal Commission hasn't been slated to investigate the very serious non compliant cladding debacle and the role of Certifying Surveyors included in the terms of reference. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 14Mar 17, 2019 7:58 am Found this Tuesday, 4 October 2016 Alert from the Victorian Building Authority. https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/media/latest ... actitioner NOTE: The minimum depths and heights quoted are for (domestic) box gutters. This is not to be confused with the minimum depth and height that I quoted previously for the sump. There is a lot of information available online re box gutter compliance. It really is staggering that the VBA could know of these issues yet remain blissfully ineffective in stopping the serious non compliance. Box Gutters Alert to Building and Plumbing Practitioner Tuesday, 4 October 2016 Compliant box gutters require architects, designers, builders and plumbers to work together Too often the VBA finds box gutters installed that aren't the right size, don't terminate correctly or have other problems that make them non-compliant; which some practitioners have not realised. Box gutters that fail to comply with the Plumbing Regulations 2008 are regularly found by the VBA Inspection Service Team in its work under the VBA Pro-active inspection program. In addition to finding non-compliant box gutters, the Inspection Service Team members have spoken to many plumbers and builders who are not aware of the requirements for installing this type of gutter. Box gutters have been found that change direction, include side chutes, reduce in size, terminate onto soaker flashings, are undersized , have inadequate overflow provision, and at times, terminate into downpipe pops. What the deemed-to-satisfy provisions for roof drainage require: It is important that practitioners are aware of the standards for the installation of box gutters. They must:
The VBA urges architects, draftspersons and building practitioners to consult with the licensed plumbers and where unable, the relevant standards, to establish what is required to assure a compliant job for the finished product (ie, roof framing to be constructed correctly so the licensed plumber can install compliant plumbing work). What can Practitioners do? Plumbing practitioners can ensure that they are up-to-date on the requirements of installing box gutters in the AS/NZS 3500.3:2015 Plumbing and drainage, Part3: Stormwater drainage and SA HB 39:2015 Installation code for metal roof and wall cladding. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Metricon Box Gutters did not meet Australian Standards 15Mar 17, 2019 5:53 pm SaveH2O Found this Tuesday, 4 October 2016 Alert from the Victorian Building Authority. https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/media/latest ... actitioner NOTE: The minimum depths and heights quoted are for (domestic) box gutters. This is not to be confused with the minimum depth and height that I quoted previously for the sump. There is a lot of information available online re box gutter compliance. It really is staggering that the VBA could know of these issues yet remain blissfully ineffective in stopping the serious non compliance. Box Gutters Alert to Building and Plumbing Practitioner Tuesday, 4 October 2016 Compliant box gutters require architects, designers, builders and plumbers to work together Too often the VBA finds box gutters installed that aren't the right size, don't terminate correctly or have other problems that make them non-compliant; which some practitioners have not realised. Box gutters that fail to comply with the Plumbing Regulations 2008 are regularly found by the VBA Inspection Service Team in its work under the VBA Pro-active inspection program. In addition to finding non-compliant box gutters, the Inspection Service Team members have spoken to many plumbers and builders who are not aware of the requirements for installing this type of gutter. Box gutters have been found that change direction, include side chutes, reduce in size, terminate onto soaker flashings, are undersized , have inadequate overflow provision, and at times, terminate into downpipe pops. What the deemed-to-satisfy provisions for roof drainage require: It is important that practitioners are aware of the standards for the installation of box gutters. They must:
The VBA urges architects, draftspersons and building practitioners to consult with the licensed plumbers and where unable, the relevant standards, to establish what is required to assure a compliant job for the finished product (ie, roof framing to be constructed correctly so the licensed plumber can install compliant plumbing work). What can Practitioners do? Plumbing practitioners can ensure that they are up-to-date on the requirements of installing box gutters in the AS/NZS 3500.3:2015 Plumbing and drainage, Part3: Stormwater drainage and SA HB 39:2015 Installation code for metal roof and wall cladding. A concern is that it seems, based on Metricon's comments and their display homes, that all their recently built homes with box gutters, except mine, do not comply with the minimum standards prescribed in AS/NZS 3500.3:2015. If there is water damage due to a blockage their owners will be unable to claim the repairs on their insurance. The insurance industry is well aware of this issue and potential exclusion so its the first thing they will check. 2 9704 We are having a bathroom reddone. The builders are putting down two coats of waterproofing and then screed and then another coat of waterproofing. This is what I have been… 0 3443 I am trying to find lighting for kitchen, dining areas but looking online, I don’t know if there are specific details I should be looking at to make sure any lights I… 0 14725 |