Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Site cost - fixed price 5Feb 03, 2019 2:58 pm dakoda Zebinc Hi Hari, I work for a builder & wil try to give you an insight into how fixed site costs work. There are a lot of factors that can effect FSC. Eg : standard inclusions, slab type, soil, fall on the block, retaining walls etc. Another big thing with FSC is comparable data in that estate. If the builder has built houses in that area, they can be more accurate with the FSC. There will be some fine print in the fixed site costs, of what is & isn’t included. If it is included, they can’t charge more for that item. But if they specify an amount, say 20lm of piecing & then you require 50lm. Then they can charge for the etc. There are somethings that are out of their control. Say you need a 600mm retaining wall at the time they do engineering & surveys. Then the site next door is cut lower & you now need a 1200mm wall. You may be charged for the extra required work. Most reputable builders will allow enough in FSC to cover what will be required. Unless you know exactly what the site is like, you will virtually always be better to go with FSC. I hope this helped. Cheers hi zebinc you sound like you know lots about building and i am first home buyer and worried about building process can you help me thanks Hi, I know a bit, i'm sure there are many that know more. Happy to help if i can. What would you like to know. send me a PM if you prefer. Cheers Re: Site cost - fixed price 6Feb 04, 2019 6:27 pm Zebinc dakoda Zebinc Hi Hari, I work for a builder & wil try to give you an insight into how fixed site costs work. There are a lot of factors that can effect FSC. Eg : standard inclusions, slab type, soil, fall on the block, retaining walls etc. Another big thing with FSC is comparable data in that estate. If the builder has built houses in that area, they can be more accurate with the FSC. There will be some fine print in the fixed site costs, of what is & isn’t included. If it is included, they can’t charge more for that item. But if they specify an amount, say 20lm of piecing & then you require 50lm. Then they can charge for the etc. There are somethings that are out of their control. Say you need a 600mm retaining wall at the time they do engineering & surveys. Then the site next door is cut lower & you now need a 1200mm wall. You may be charged for the extra required work. Most reputable builders will allow enough in FSC to cover what will be required. Unless you know exactly what the site is like, you will virtually always be better to go with FSC. I hope this helped. Cheers hi zebinc you sound like you know lots about building and i am first home buyer and worried about building process can you help me thanks Hi, I know a bit, i'm sure there are many that know more. Happy to help if i can. What would you like to know. send me a PM if you prefer. Cheers hi Zebinc thanks for replying appreciate it, so lost in this whole process can you to tell me what a PM is i thought you said on your profile that you work for a builder? that's why i contacted you from what you wrote to the other person do you know any good builders or any to stay away from? cheers Re: Site cost - fixed price 7Feb 04, 2019 7:42 pm Hi, Pm is private message. Yes, I work for a builder. There are lots of builders. What stage are you at. Do you have a deposit, a block of land ready? It’s best to try to find a builder that has a design that you like & inclusions that suit you needs. Cheers Re: Site cost - fixed price 8Feb 05, 2019 7:39 am hi Zebinc i have just got preapproval and looking for land, but cant work out what land i can afford until i know what house price is i have visited some display homes but am getting confused when they quote base price plus inclusions can i visit your builder, do you have a display i can see, what inclusions do you have ? i want 4 bedroom and media room thanks for your help cheers Re: Site cost - fixed price 9Feb 05, 2019 10:39 am Dakoda, It will also depend what state/city you are building in. Maybe you can read a few of the threads here on the bigger builders in your state. No point asking zebinc if he/she is in a different state. Also your budget (large or small) may narrow your choices. Go and find a few homes you like on display and chat to the sales staff, they will be more than helpful inletting you know if your budget is realistic or not. Re: Site cost - fixed price 10Feb 05, 2019 11:49 am gogo65 Dakoda, It will also depend what state/city you are building in. Maybe you can read a few of the threads here on the bigger builders in your state. No point asking zebinc if he/she is in a different state. Also your budget (large or small) may narrow your choices. Go and find a few homes you like on display and chat to the sales staff, they will be more than helpful inletting you know if your budget is realistic or not. thanks for your thoughts, im on the gold coast, i think zebinc is here i never asked if he was on the gold coast but i saw a message where he was giving some really good info he seems like a helpful person and figured if he was helpful his builder prob a good builder to look at i am finding it confusing getting diff info from display homes and not many will give me details of inclusions without committing to them Re: Site cost - fixed price 11Feb 05, 2019 12:46 pm Hi Dakoda, Start with the land as the price is more fixed then the build. Find the average price of a block of land in an estate you maybe interested in, or at least know what the land will cost you if you're not looking in new estates. Set a budget and then take the price of land off that budget, and go to your builder knowing what you can spend. Get quotes from as many builders as you can, no need to share your budget number with them. Start with the smallest house you'd be happy in and see what their quote comes back as. It's easier to go up. Good luck! Re: Site cost - fixed price 13Jun 05, 2019 8:17 am Builders call them "Fixed Price Contracts", but that is not so. In WA, the HIA (Housing Industry Association) standard contract does not put a limit on the "Provisional Sums" by what percentage they are allowed to rise, so the sky is the limit! One sales lady said 10%, but that has been found to be untrue. No wonder many clients are close to a nervous breakdown. What is sad, is that my suburb has been built on and now has been further subdivided, but quotes are all over the place. I have my own house design ($1,000), I have a soil test/footing detail ($350), I can get the site levelled for $2,500, so I am tempted to become an owner builder! I can get a contour survey/site report for $500. A builder will call it a "Geophysical Report", when a soil test is good enough for a well known sand area as there are no reactive soils. A builder may charge for a repeg, despite a licensed surveyor having put the pegs in for the subdivision before. It seems to cost $5,000 to connect the gutters to two storm water tanks plus excavation plus removal of soil? Enjoy the build! Re: Site cost - fixed price 14Jun 05, 2019 9:32 am domwild ..... but quotes are all over the place. I have my own house design ($1,000), I have a soil test/footing detail ($350), I can get the site levelled for $2,500, so I am tempted to become an owner builder! I can get a contour survey/site report for $500. Welcome to the forum Once you have the contour survey, Soil report, own design and engineering Then you need to get a BIM 3D model, calculated Data and costs are automated for comparison purposes, weigh up alternatives Make sure the project planning, ie, costs, progress payments, materials, specifications, engineering,etc are tracking correctly Armed with that information select a builder/sub contractor or decide whether to OB, get 3 quotes, ie DIY, DI4Me, DIL8r, etc,etc,etc Forewarned is forearmed Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site cost - fixed price 15Jul 31, 2019 12:04 pm Hi everyone, There is a lot of good info here and I thought I would provide some extra pointers that may help provide a different perspective. To get a fixed price: select the right builder that does fixed pricing. Not all do this. Don't go out and get 20 quotes or more. That is just a lot and what you will do is just confuse yourself. It's upto you of course. Have an overall budget. Work out your land price and build price. By the time you speak with the 3rd builder, you will know if your build cost is realistic or not. Underarand the difference between turnkey or just the house price. There is no point of asking why site costs cost 20k vs. another builder's 10k. It comes down their pricing structure, strategy, etc... Best way to do it is simple: what am i paying overall for this house? You are not just buying site costs or the base house price. You are buying the whole thing. So understand total costs and compare accordingly. I hope this helps. Girgis my blog: www.learnproperty.com.au Re: Site cost - fixed price 16Jul 31, 2019 6:38 pm Thanks Girgis, very informative. I am in the fortunate position of not renting, so I am not pressed for quick results. I just wish to avoid a $40,000 blow out in costs, as some builders place far too many Provisional Sums my way and they are not fixed. Builders claim the HIA contract is a fixed-price contract, but that is not true due to PS items. Asking for the NBN price, they quote Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) prices despite the fact we are in a FTTNode area and all it needs is a few P20 conduits and a draw string in it for a later twisted pair and one may have to pay close to $2,000 for that. I read horror stories on the net re being charged $2,000 for a concrete pump, which then never shows up. In a TV show, a Dale Alcock home has to be demolished as the steel was laid flat on the sand or plastic without the common plastic "seats" to hold the steel off the ground. Let me ask you if you know, how far do the chutes of a concrete mixer extend maximally? Thanks. Re: Site cost - fixed price 17Jul 31, 2019 6:54 pm domwild I read horror stories on the net re being charged $2,000 for a concrete pump, which then never shows up. In a TV show, a Dale Alcock home has to be demolished as the steel was laid flat on the sand or plastic without the common plastic "seats" to hold the steel off the ground. Concrete reinforcement should always be checked in conjunction with the Certified Engineering Drawings The best way to check Steel Reinforcement Position and Depth within Concrete is with a Bosch Wallscanner D-tect 150 SV domwild Let me ask you if you know, how far do the chutes of a concrete mixer extend maximally? Generally 3-4 metres Cheers Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site cost - fixed price 18Jul 31, 2019 8:48 pm domwild Asking for the NBN price, they quote Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) prices despite the fact we are in a FTTNode area and all it needs is a few P20 conduits and a draw string in it for a later twisted pair and one may have to pay close to $2,000 for that. I read horror stories on the net re being charged $2,000 for a concrete pump, which then never shows up. In a TV show, a Dale Alcock home has to be demolished as the steel was laid flat on the sand or plastic without the common plastic "seats" to hold the steel off the ground. Thanks. We include a concrete pump in the price of the house, all builders should as nobody barrows slabs, you dont normally need one for the footings unless it's a clay site or a 2 Storey. That one for Dale's (I dont work for them) he did the right thing in my opinion & complied with the requirements of the building commission. The company I work for does a slab inspection prior to pouring by the engineer who certified that particular house (there wouldn't be to many builders in perth who do that) the engineer also does a roof inspection on around every 3 or 4th roof, its insurance for both us the builder and the clients who get piece of mind. The price for the NBN run ins should also be included in the price of the house, doesn't matter if your in an NBN area or not you have to comply with NBN requirements, that's in the telecommunications act. Thank you so much everyone. This all makes a lot of sense. I guess when you talk to a builder who butters up everything to look very polished, you get to start believing… 7 17591 So AFAIk the outcomes of the BAL ratings form part of a clause that allows them to pass these costs on to you. 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