Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 2Dec 15, 2018 3:09 pm It looks like the builder is cutting corners with cheaper variants of the product. The site supervisor said that there are 2 variants of 720mm sliding door cavities available in the market: 1. Flush to Jamb cavity- which gives a clearance of 700mm 2. Flush to Pull cavity- which gives a clearance of 640mm - this is cheaper in price. Eden Brae designer marked the door as 720mm CSD - in the drawings. The type of cavity door clearance is nowhere documented or informed or consulted. During the construction, they installed the cheaper one(Flush to Pull cavity - with 640mm clearance) rather than -Flush to Jamb cavity (clearance of 700mm which is closest to the contract plan with 720mm). Site Supervisor was not accepting his fault and he is asking me to pay around $1500-$2000 to fix this. I feel it is completely unfair and deceptive conduct(showing 720mm in the plan and installing the cheaper variant with 640mm clearance). I raised this issue to their management team with the hope that someone will resolve this in a fair and reasonable manner. If anyone had this kind of experience and faced this problem, please advise the best way to resolve this. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 4Dec 15, 2018 10:31 pm Thanks Simon. Attached the section of construction plan with 720mmWx2340mmH Cavity Sliding Door. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The actual cavity type that the builder installed does not fit the door completely in; This leaves only 640mm for passage as per site supervisor. Generally, without even consulting with the customer, any professionals wouldn't have installed this narrow passage cavity type(flush pull-640mm passage) instead of other type(flush jamb) which at-least provides passage closer to 720mm as in plan. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 6Dec 16, 2018 8:47 pm Salfield rajesh I am building with Eden Brae, as per plan there is a cavity sliding door in the butler pantry with the width of 720mm and I was expecting at least 720mm door passage. Now the house is gyprocked and doors installed, I noticed the width of the passage is much lesser than 720mm as the door type they installed is hanging outside the frame as in below image. I feel the 660mm passage(approximately 60mm for door overhanging part) is very narrow for this pantry and it looks terrible. I've asked builder to fix the cavity door to get 720mm passage and waiting for their response. I am wondering why they designed with 720mm door instead of 820mm and then made the passage width to 660mm with this type of door. Now, is there a way to fix this to get at-least 720mm clear passage width? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I could be wrong but I believe that the door you have is a sliding door not a cavity sliding door. A cavity sliding door, as it’s name suggests, should be in a cavity ie slide in and out of an internal cavity inside the wall. And if the door you purchased is a 720 door the opening should be 720 I would have thought. As you say they have cheap’d out on you. I would hold your breath though to get a reasonable out come for both parties. We have cavity doors and we are at frame. I will measure our gaps for you tomorrow. I don’t know what picture you’re looking at, but the one I’m looking at clearly shows a CSD and the OP says there’s a CSD installed. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 7Dec 16, 2018 8:48 pm Salfield rajesh Thanks Simon. Attached the section of construction plan with 720mmWx2340mmH Cavity Sliding Door. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ The actual cavity type that the builder installed does not fit the door completely in; This leaves only 640mm for passage as per site supervisor. Generally, without even consulting with the customer, any professionals wouldn't have installed this narrow passage cavity type(flush pull-640mm passage) instead of other type(flush jamb) which at-least provides passage closer to 720mm as in plan. Ok mate. It is as I thought. You have a 720 Sliding door (SD) NOT a cavity sliding door (CSD). As your SS said there is obviously two variations to the SD and I would imagine, like every upgrade you have to pay more. So you would need to check your inclusions to see if you upgraded. Unfortunately if you haven’t you are going to be pretty well stuffed Sorry to say. And again what the? His plans say 720 CSD, clearly marked on plan. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 10Dec 16, 2018 8:56 pm .[/quote] Instead of raging on me buddy. How about you offer something up.[/quote] Lol. Raging on you. Simply corrected your obvious mistakes, but whatever. And offer something up. Ok. The working drawings measurements override everything. So he shouldn’t be paying a cent. The builder can take the blame and correct it. The builder and supervisor will try to get out of it, but they have clearly f.up and need to rectify it to the owners satisfaction. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 11Dec 16, 2018 9:01 pm I .[/quote] I don’t know what picture you’re looking at, but the one I’m looking at clearly shows a CSD and the OP says there’s a CSD installed.[/quote] My bad. Should have put my glasses on. Thought it was 7200. Thanks for your input. Still doesn’t look like a cavity sliding door to me, but you are the expert.[/quote] Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ That’s what a CSD looks like Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 12Dec 16, 2018 9:05 pm gillybean I . I don’t know what picture you’re looking at, but the one I’m looking at clearly shows a CSD and the OP says there’s a CSD installed.[/quote] My bad. Should have put my glasses on. Thought it was 7200. Thanks for your input. Still doesn’t look like a cavity sliding door to me, but you are the expert.[/quote] Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ That’s what a CSD looks like[/quote] Congratulations. You are the best. I’m sure you will have a busy night ahead picking through all the posts on here picking out all the obvious mistakes. 👍 Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 13Dec 16, 2018 9:18 pm Salfield gillybean I . I don’t know what picture you’re looking at, but the one I’m looking at clearly shows a CSD and the OP says there’s a CSD installed. My bad. Should have put my glasses on. Thought it was 7200. Thanks for your input. Still doesn’t look like a cavity sliding door to me, but you are the expert.[/quote] Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ That’s what a CSD looks like[/quote] Congratulations. You are the best. I’m sure you will have a busy night ahead picking through all the posts on here picking out all the obvious mistakes. 👍[/quote] Only the ones where the person with nfi makes a complete clown of themselves and then tries to cover their embarrassment by going on the attack. Have a good night precious. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 15Jan 07, 2019 10:13 am rajesh Thanks Salfield and Gillybean for your insight. Today, construction manager agreed to rectify this by making the opening 720mm or as close as possible. Good result and what they should’ve done first up, they’ll always try and get out of fixing things but knowledge is power, good on you. I see too all of Salfields “advice” has been removed, luckily for them I quoted it so others can read it still. 😊 Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 16Jan 07, 2019 11:37 am rajesh It looks like the builder is cutting corners with cheaper variants of the product. The site supervisor said that there are 2 variants of 720mm sliding door cavities available in the market: 1. Flush to Jamb cavity- which gives a clearance of 700mm 2. Flush to Pull cavity- which gives a clearance of 640mm - this is cheaper in price. Eden Brae designer marked the door as 720mm CSD - in the drawings. The type of cavity door clearance is nowhere documented or informed or consulted. During the construction, they installed the cheaper one(Flush to Pull cavity - with 640mm clearance) rather than -Flush to Jamb cavity (clearance of 700mm which is closest to the contract plan with 720mm). Site Supervisor was not accepting his fault and he is asking me to pay around $1500-$2000 to fix this. I feel it is completely unfair and deceptive conduct(showing 720mm in the plan and installing the cheaper variant with 640mm clearance). I raised this issue to their management team with the hope that someone will resolve this in a fair and reasonable manner. If anyone had this kind of experience and faced this problem, please advise the best way to resolve this. I think you would find with most volume builders that the Flush to Pull cavity slider is the standard type of cavity slider they will install and you would have had to choose the "pull" style during your selections. It basically allows the door to have a recessed pull on both sides (as opposed to a stick out handle), hence the amount of the door not inside the cavity when opened, so that you can then shut the door again. The actual door is still 720mm - measure it when shut. Neither of the two CSD options allow 720mm clearance when open. We had this type of flush to pull CSD on the pantry of our last house and it was fine (720mm too if I remember rightly). Even with a hinged door, you will lose about 60mm of clearance when the door is fully opened due to the jamb and the width of the door itself - but the door installed will be the stated size, not the clearance when opened. Re: Building with Eden Brae - Narrow Cavity Sliding Doors 17Jan 07, 2019 11:50 am Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Pictured is the 720mm CSD we had on the pantry of our last house. This door was only standard height - if you have 2340mm door height it will likely make it appear narrower than it really is due to the extra height. Note the silver pull on the part of the door not inside the cavity (to the left). FWIW I also just measured the pantry CSD of the rental we are in and it too is the exact same width with approx. 640mm clearance. I built with EB back on 2009. Check out this thread on this forum. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=12911&p=154061#p154061 I can't speak for recent expericience however, we had no… 1 23337 we have a standard size and often we have a lot of variety to choose 0 3576 We are looking for sliding doors which are 5 metres tall. There are a few European options. Any manufacturers in Australia or distributors? 0 5041 |