Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 642Nov 14, 2018 2:43 pm Build thread [size=200]KDR RAWSON Benham 33 in hills area of Sydney[/size] Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 646Nov 14, 2018 10:47 pm Build thread [size=200]KDR RAWSON Benham 33 in hills area of Sydney[/size] Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 655Nov 21, 2018 2:00 pm DR-JEKL Got a questions for you guys regarding your electrical: In your two storey home standard for ducted A/C is 2 zones 1 controller. I'm thinking a 2nd controller would be beneficial (rawson didnt have a price for second controller but im sure I read somewhere it was $450?) or can you install one dedicated controller on say the stairway wall and adjust the temp for upstairs/downstairs there? In your two storey home how many zones did you go for? (we're building the Balmoral 38) They asked where we'd like the modem point in the house to be? I hadnt even thought of this... With a two storey house where did you guys place yours? (i.e is it best on ground floor or first floor, I'm assuming with a large home you'd need two wifi routers one for each floor or do you use extenders?) Did you guys install a doorbell after handover? We didn't like the intercom system and we're glad to get a $210 refund on that... Unless they have changed things, they way they do zone control is with mechanical light switches and then they use a standard (single) Navease controller. The big problem with this method is even if you have a second slave controller you can only have one thermostat source which for a double story house is useless. And with mechanical zone control you cannot program zone changes. So for example you might want the heater to come on downstairs in winter mornings but unless you change the switch before going to bed it won’t work. What I would do is ask for the proper zone controller and either a slave controller or remote thermostat. These are bit on the ugly side but work well enough. With these can you program what zones come on when and choose which thermostat to use. Master, slave, air return provider the installer enables them. The ultimate way to go is to not have a Dakin controller at all. There are third party providers that provide zone control and more complex and nicer controllers. But you would be paying for it and doubt Rawson would allow it to be done during the build. That said if the basics of what they install are good it can be retrofitted later anyway. Again at more cost. Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 656Nov 21, 2018 5:36 pm DR-JEKL Hmm only just had our electrical appointment yesterday... Haven't signed anything yet but.. TBH my wife wasn't keen on upgrading any of the kitchen items (trying to keep build costs down) but I hate cheap crap appliances and I think its ludicrous to spend $550-600k on a house build and just leave standard cheap appliances in.. Yes getting prices for the upgrades was somewhat difficult, had to choose the model etc then ask for it (anything AEG was crazy miele type pricing almost lol) we'd been advised beforehand that the westinghouse induction was no cost, electrolux MW with grille no cost and electrolux pull out rangehood $225. Found out the induction cooktop was extra same with the microwave with grille. They gave us the MW upgrade for free (due to the error on their behalf) told them to wack in the WH electric cooktop as included in standard range, as I've checked the dimensions I can get a Neff induction 90cm cooktop to drop in for ~ $1500. Thing that really annoyed me was the standard rangehoods, absolute crap and upgrade range isn't that great.. I'd much prefer a decent integrated qasiair or something similar.. These are obviously somewhat more difficult to DIY 'upgrade' after handover. Not really keen on a pull out, but it was the only one that I could live with whereas the AEG was $1450 and I couldn't find any positive reviews on it.. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ We're wrestling with the same issue, with the amount we're spending on the house should we spend a little more to get better appliances? Westinghouse, as a brand, seem to score reasonably well on the Choice reviews, but the included models are only entry level stuff. The ovens are not even pyrolytic cleaning types. We were really frustrated by their refusal to provide upgrade prices, that's what drove us to pursue the supply/install after handover option. Interesting to hear about the crazy prices they gave you for appliance upgrades. At the moment we're thinking Siemens induction cooktop, Neff oven (the one with the slide away door), Bosch dishwasher and Panasonic microwave. Be careful with retrofitting an induction cooktop. Whilst some have the same benchtop cutout size, they often have very different cooling ventilation requirements. Theres many complaints of induction cooktops failing within warranty but warranty being refused because the ventilation is not as per manufacturer requirements. Compared to the standard/included electric cooktop the Siemens induction we're looking at requires deeper gaps to anything below plus a 20mm vertical ventilation gap at the back of the cupboards. Siemens, Neff and Bosch seem to be the same company with identical installation/cooling/ventilation requirements so the requirements for your Neff cooktop is probably the same as for our Siemens. The easiest place to find the requirements is on Winnings site, but be warned... you can go crazy looking at this stuff. Regarding rangehoods, when we visited Winnings, the salesman was adamant that the included rangehood wasn't adequate. It may have just been a sales pitch, but he went on and on about it. We haven't looked further into that yet. Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 657Nov 21, 2018 6:27 pm AJW DR-JEKL Got a questions for you guys regarding your electrical: In your two storey home standard for ducted A/C is 2 zones 1 controller. I'm thinking a 2nd controller would be beneficial (rawson didnt have a price for second controller but im sure I read somewhere it was $450?) or can you install one dedicated controller on say the stairway wall and adjust the temp for upstairs/downstairs there? In your two storey home how many zones did you go for? (we're building the Balmoral 38) They asked where we'd like the modem point in the house to be? I hadnt even thought of this... With a two storey house where did you guys place yours? (i.e is it best on ground floor or first floor, I'm assuming with a large home you'd need two wifi routers one for each floor or do you use extenders?) Did you guys install a doorbell after handover? We didn't like the intercom system and we're glad to get a $210 refund on that... Unless they have changed things, they way they do zone control is with mechanical light switches and then they use a standard (single) Navease controller. The big problem with this method is even if you have a second slave controller you can only have one thermostat source which for a double story house is useless. And with mechanical zone control you cannot program zone changes. So for example you might want the heater to come on downstairs in winter mornings but unless you change the switch before going to bed it won’t work. What I would do is ask for the proper zone controller and either a slave controller or remote thermostat. These are bit on the ugly side but work well enough. With these can you program what zones come on when and choose which thermostat to use. Master, slave, air return provider the installer enables them. The ultimate way to go is to not have a Dakin controller at all. There are third party providers that provide zone control and more complex and nicer controllers. But you would be paying for it and doubt Rawson would allow it to be done during the build. That said if the basics of what they install are good it can be retrofitted later anyway. Again at more cost. Thanks for the reply its appreciated!! Hmm damn, I'd assumed that a 2nd controller would be a 'daikin' controller and operate the same on either levels... hmm.. I'd lived in a two storey terrace years ago it had the controller downstairs and by memory witches upstairs to turn bedroom on etc. I'd assumed we'd advanced a lot since then!! I'm guessing it wouldnt be possible to retrofit the third party zone controllers after handover since itd be much easier to do it all beforehand on a two storey home? Do you know what the names of the third party providers are? Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 658Nov 21, 2018 6:38 pm robw17 DR-JEKL Hmm only just had our electrical appointment yesterday... Haven't signed anything yet but.. TBH my wife wasn't keen on upgrading any of the kitchen items (trying to keep build costs down) but I hate cheap crap appliances and I think its ludicrous to spend $550-600k on a house build and just leave standard cheap appliances in.. Yes getting prices for the upgrades was somewhat difficult, had to choose the model etc then ask for it (anything AEG was crazy miele type pricing almost lol) we'd been advised beforehand that the westinghouse induction was no cost, electrolux MW with grille no cost and electrolux pull out rangehood $225. Found out the induction cooktop was extra same with the microwave with grille. They gave us the MW upgrade for free (due to the error on their behalf) told them to wack in the WH electric cooktop as included in standard range, as I've checked the dimensions I can get a Neff induction 90cm cooktop to drop in for ~ $1500. Thing that really annoyed me was the standard rangehoods, absolute crap and upgrade range isn't that great.. I'd much prefer a decent integrated qasiair or something similar.. These are obviously somewhat more difficult to DIY 'upgrade' after handover. Not really keen on a pull out, but it was the only one that I could live with whereas the AEG was $1450 and I couldn't find any positive reviews on it.. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ We're wrestling with the same issue, with the amount we're spending on the house should we spend a little more to get better appliances? Westinghouse, as a brand, seem to score reasonably well on the Choice reviews, but the included models are only entry level stuff. The ovens are not even pyrolytic cleaning types. We were really frustrated by their refusal to provide upgrade prices, that's what drove us to pursue the supply/install after handover option. Interesting to hear about the crazy prices they gave you for appliance upgrades. At the moment we're thinking Siemens induction cooktop, Neff oven (the one with the slide away door), Bosch dishwasher and Panasonic microwave. Be careful with retrofitting an induction cooktop. Whilst some have the same benchtop cutout size, they often have very different cooling ventilation requirements. Theres many complaints of induction cooktops failing within warranty but warranty being refused because the ventilation is not as per manufacturer requirements. Compared to the standard/included electric cooktop the Siemens induction we're looking at requires deeper gaps to anything below plus a 20mm vertical ventilation gap at the back of the cupboards. Siemens, Neff and Bosch seem to be the same company with identical installation/cooling/ventilation requirements so the requirements for your Neff cooktop is probably the same as for our Siemens. The easiest place to find the requirements is on Winnings site, but be warned... you can go crazy looking at this stuff. Regarding rangehoods, when we visited Winnings, the salesman was adamant that the included rangehood wasn't adequate. It may have just been a sales pitch, but he went on and on about it. We haven't looked further into that yet. Yes personally I think spending an extra say $5-10k on appliances is money well spent. Gives the house a much more premium feel and generally offer superior performance. I dont have anything against westinghouse as a brand (Decided to just use their DWS & oven wasnt keen on the oven but the wife didnt want to spend $4-5k on Neff) Hmm I'd asked EU appliances what cooktop they offer for the cutout size of the WH electric cooktop, their response was the NEff model I was laready considering. But interesting to know regarding the vertical ventilation gaps I'll have to take a look. The standard RH's are crap, the standalone westinghouse one didnt look to bad on the specs TBH, but we wish to go for integrated on this kitchen it just looks a lot neater... The upgraded Electrolux RH, I'm not that keen on, but it was a compromise... Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 659Nov 21, 2018 7:58 pm DR-JEKL Hmm I'd asked EU appliances what cooktop they offer for the cutout size of the WH electric cooktop, their response was the NEff model I was laready considering. But interesting to know regarding the vertical ventilation gaps I'll have to take a look. Also, you should provision for a bigger electrical circuit. The standard electric cooktop is 6.4 kW, the Siemens/Neff induction are 11.1 kW. Re: Rawson Homes - General Thread 660Nov 21, 2018 8:12 pm robw17 DR-JEKL Hmm I'd asked EU appliances what cooktop they offer for the cutout size of the WH electric cooktop, their response was the NEff model I was laready considering. But interesting to know regarding the vertical ventilation gaps I'll have to take a look. Also, you should provision for a bigger electrical circuit. The standard electric cooktop is 6.4 kW, the Siemens/Neff induction are 11.1 kW. AFAIK cooktops have their own dedicated circuit? (well at least in my current property) Therefore a larger load breaker could just be retrofitted if required? but I did think of that to ask my electrician as I'm no sparky myself! I guess it all depends on how the rawson sparky wires it up... You should check your detail drawings, it may show downpipe within brick pier. 14 14124 Just started the Build process for Chifley 42 with Rawson homes, will keep you all posted with the Build progress. 0 2464 Hi, Apologies - I know there is plenty out there on this but struggling to put together the puzzle. We're planning our garage/external laundry to master bedroom and… 0 11121 |