Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 2Oct 28, 2017 9:56 am Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 4Oct 28, 2017 7:09 pm KateG If you Architect has the 3D Bim Model they can send it to a structural engineer (in RVT or IFC format) to analyse the frame sections with 50m/s (150 kph) wind gust loads The model will need to be tidied up at a Glance (Compared to very large Billboard) & Quick calc I have those SHS columns failing..UC maybe ? Then you will need to get all the steelwork connections detailed here, email fabrication Drawings & Details, and they can price up the tonnage plus shipping. BTW you still require a lot more work/details on those drawings. Can you get Crane & Pump access to your block? Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 5Oct 28, 2017 8:28 pm check out duragal flooring system. they have a design guide or technical guide for such things. 90 x 90 x 2mm is good for 4.5m. The cheaper you want to go the more bracing you will need at that height. Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 6Oct 29, 2017 8:49 am That's a nightmare so many post seeing it's on such a slope, I'd be getting someone else to design a better subfloor that won't be so difficult. I'd build two pier and beam arches one half span of course something like in this link and a slab to suit it. pier and beam arches The set up on all those posts on such a slope is a difficulty builtin from the start, find an architect who has actually done work on houses and you'll win every time. Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 7Oct 29, 2017 10:09 am manofaus check out duragal flooring system. they have a design guide or technical guide for such things. 90 x 90 x 2mm is good for 4.5m. The cheaper you want to go the more bracing you will need at that height. Where does it specifically say that on their technical brochure? Duragal flooring system KateG That's the problem LOL... looks great as a rendered Image but in reality it's technically worthless if it can't be build that way within your budget. OT On difficult builds you should have it roughly designed in sketchup, then have the Structural Engineer do preliminary analysis & estimates for size and tonnage. Instead of Going straight to planning and then having to redesign it for whatever reason. Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 8Oct 29, 2017 12:35 pm The drawing shows posts at 2400mm centres. That means a lot of posts. I would have the posts a lot further apart with larger beams (I live in a stilt house built on a very steep block). Is your land in high BAL area? If it is, special measures may be required to prevent embers blowing in under the house. Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 10Oct 29, 2017 11:22 pm You need the duragal version 7 matey. You are looking at version 6. https://www.onesteelmetalcentre.com/~/m ... ochure.pdf Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 11Oct 29, 2017 11:27 pm If you considered alternatives to steel, you can use LVL's (use designit software). I have 3.3 cts for LVL bearers and using I joists which are spanning 4.0m (450 cts) Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 12Oct 29, 2017 11:58 pm manofaus Here's the index link for duragalv Building Products flooring System spans for joist/beams only None of those brochures refer to Column support heights & engineering section property ...where specifically does it say 4.60m high because that's what KateG is asking for? "KateG How big are your poles and how far is the distance between them? Best regards Kate" Quote Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 14Oct 31, 2017 10:16 am KateG In the words of Chris Rock, "There's math and everything else is debatable" The same is said of Architectural/Artistic Rendering without data and proofs When you compare the various Steel Columns/Floor systems ie, Rolled sections (RSJ), Cold formed sections (CFS) things to consider,ie Site accessibility, material handling, Fixings,Engineering, Owner builder skill set, ease of fabrication, etc,etc BTW material costs for patented building systems are up to $10K/ tonne, RSJ $1k/Tonne and CFS $5k/Tonne Get the 3 options drawn/engineered/analyzed, work out the tonnage and do the math... you will see a clear winner OT i do admit the duragalv brochure does look impressive to owner builders...but you can get the same 3D details and instructions of your customised plans from my structural BIM software with data and proofs Make sure your Structural Engineer gives you the 3D BIM Model If you are starting from scratch get the whole Archi/Design, Engineering & Construction (AEC) in 3D BIM by someone who competent in all disciplines and avoid $ticker $hock. HTH Cheers Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Advice for a steel frame construction [pole house on slo 16Oct 31, 2017 10:11 pm KateG you are welcome..BTW if onsite material handling is going to be a problem then you might consider asking your Engineer about floor span truss design The fabrication costs of Light weight Trusses from China are low..HTH Please keep the forum updated..Thanks Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Hi I am wanting some opinions about the build of a steel shed I am going to get one about 4.5 x 2.5 m steel shed and the height will be about 2.3-2.4m high The one I am… 0 10546 Hi Mrboh Just wondering if you have any BAL or flame zone issues on your block, as getting compliance with BAL requirements whilst doing bearers and joists is tough. Not… 1 6758 Hi, We have a single story MacDonald Jones house, on a waffle pod slab with steel frame. 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