Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 3Jun 28, 2015 9:38 am My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Feedback & comment on neighbors application 6Jun 28, 2015 9:59 am Hi Both, Byford and the blocks are 330sqm. 10m frontage and yes they are planning to build boundary to boundary with no side entrance at all. Meter box has been put at the front of the house behind a little wall sticking out. I understand that it's a small block and they are trying to maximize their house space, (that's why my entry is to the side to maximize my interval space) but when I called the shire TWICE when planning my house they told me I could NOT build on the boundary (my garage is now 90mm off the boundary so a fence can go through - no parapet allowed) so I'm really confused as to why they are even entertaining the idea for this person. I called the shire on Friday but the guy who sent the letter didn't know anything and needs to check with his manager) My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 7Jun 28, 2015 10:03 am Do you have a pic of your entry? Or house on block plan? If I'm reading right you have a 1m wide walkway down the side that leads into the front door? If that's correct having a 3+m wall would really make that entry dark and small feeling. Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 8Jun 28, 2015 10:05 am This is my plan - already approved and in build. I have pencilled in where my neighbors plan wants to go. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ This is my neighbors plan - Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Yes I have a 1m walkway to my front door and my concerns are exactly that. My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 9Jun 28, 2015 10:20 am I do not think you will have a choice. The fact that your entrance is 1m from the boundary suggests you also maximised the positioning of your build for your block. The horrid brick may not be so horrid. I have a 6.5m boundary wall on the left hand side of my house and a 9m boundary wall on the right hand side at the rear from my rear garage. The rules say I have have boundary walls not exceeding 1/3 the length of my property and I have. The neighbour also has a boundary garage on the right side. Assuming you are in the WA Byford then you are covered by the same R Code rules I used and you are definitely allowed boundary walls. I would have fought that, in fact I did. I got many pictures from the same street and surrounding neighbourhood to show how many boundary walls had been approved and then it was fine. I also had no objection from neighbours. We all chatted and agreed that Limestone colour was best for all involved and gave the go- ahead to render in what ever colour they choose. Not sure if you are concerned about the boundary wall being high enough but it will be much higher than a fence. A standard fence is 6foot or 1.82cm, standard plate height it above that by upto 50+cm. The gutters will also have to be internalised so water is contained on their side which will possibly push the height a little. I would discuss with your neighbour to determine what colour brick they will be using. I would also as if they would mind you rendering the wall. The fact that it is 1.0m from your front door is your problem to be honest as that is your design. Even if it were a fence it would still be 1m and I would rather have a nice brick wall than a hardy super six fence. Looking at how you have drawn the position of your neighbours house it looks like only a little overlap of the boundary wall. I am assuming that your door opens inwards to the right. As to what to say to the council you may wish to look at the design code to see what is said about boundary walls but if it is within those rules it will be hard. Privacy wise there wont be windows so should not be an issue there. Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 10Jun 28, 2015 10:31 am Hi AussieMark, I am trying to understand then why they are asking for my comment if it is within design codes? I would assume that it was outside the codes and that's why they are having to seek approval from the shire? As that is what I was advised regarding boundary walls - that only a garage could be on the boundary. Yes I said that was the reason for my entry being on the side.... I am concerned about the wall height - that's it TOO HIGH, not that it won't be high enough. I have tried to call their builder, waiting for a call back. I don't see the issue of 1m from my door being MY issue - I designed that according the r codes of my neighbors needing to be at least 1m off the boundary for a max of 9m. And we don't install Super 66 fences anymore.... Not sure where you are building but colourbond is the norm now. As I have mentioned my house is designed according to the r codes and what my DAP and shire would allow, I pushed my design as far as I could supposedly go. So that's why I am questioning why this person is able to do something more!? And do they have a right to? Or did I get the bum steer? My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 11Jun 28, 2015 10:52 am Excited, I am also building in WA. I realise that noone uses Super 66 but it is the cheapest and it is available. Shires seem to vary depending on who you get on the day. Stirling Shire is a bit of a nightmare. Your door being 1m from the boundary is your issue as that is where you built it. It will face either a brick wall at plate height or a fence but the distance from the boundary is your decision. Councils ask for all surrounding neighbours inout when ever plans are submitted. This provides a chance to point out any contraventions of design code rules and also to solicit feedback. The r codes depend on the zoning and I think that walls of non habitable rooms must be less than 9m and less than 3m high from memory to be on the boundary. The neighbour must be claiming the room as non habitable or have gotten dispensation to be on the boundary. It may be a case that your builder did not push hard enough for the plan but everyone has a right to ask for what ever they want and then it comes down to rules, neighbours views, street scape and some times how the council's mind is thinking. Sorry to say that I do not think that your front door being a meter from the boundary will impact as that is also within the r code design rules. I would see if you can speak with the neighbour about painting or rendering the space and also if you are allowed to attach anything to the space. Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 12Jul 11, 2015 9:09 am Feedback was sent to council, and I received a call saying it has progressed to going to next public/council meeting, which I will be invited too. So should be interesting. Also - the reason why my entry is to the side is due to the council advising that a boundary wall could not be developed to not only me but THREE other builders that i asked to enquire. I have outlined this in my feedback and comment to the shire, and they are providing a separate response to that query. My current builder has the date recorded of when he called and spoke to them about it. My feedback and comment response to the was very detailed and included a lot of evidence to support what has happened and why I would not like my neighboring lot to be build boundary to boundary. My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 13Jul 11, 2015 9:11 am Also the reason this has come to me for comment is because it is outside the DAP / design codes and the planner needs to request public comment. My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 14Jul 11, 2015 9:39 am I think it will be more attractive for you to have a brick wall along you r walkway than a fence. Things to factor in though, you could negotiate that it is rendered in a colour you Pprove of, how much overshadowing will there be and how dark will your walkway be and very importantly they are going to need access to your walkway probably the whole width so how will this affect you? Good luck Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 15Jul 11, 2015 2:22 pm I don't think it's a strong argument to say that the boundary wall affects your entrance, the reason being that they could always have built on that boundary if they put the garage that side, and built clear from the other boundary. However, by building to both boundaries it changes the character of the area from detached houses to row housing. If everyone builds that way, then there are no gaps between the houses at all. While there are efficiencies in row housing, the setback requirements were put in place purely to retain the detached housing character of the area, and you can argue that this character shouldn't be destroyed, and you have the precedent that this was not allowed for other houses. If it does look like being a boundary wall, all is not lost, as a wall needn't look all that bad. At 1m wide, it's as wide as many internal hallways, and need not look that much different from a hallway, especially if rendered. You could even look into putting some form of roofing over it, and maybe even a door at the front. With enough creativity you may be able to make it quite a nice space. Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 16Jul 11, 2015 2:30 pm oneJohn I don't think it's a strong argument to say that the boundary wall affects your entrance, the reason being that they could always have built on that boundary if they put the garage that side, and built clear from the other boundary. However, by building to both boundaries it changes the character of the area from detached houses to row housing. If everyone builds that way, then there are no gaps between the houses at all. While there are efficiencies in row housing, the setback requirements were put in place purely to retain the detached housing character of the area, and you can argue that this character shouldn't be destroyed, and you have the precedent that this was not allowed for other houses. If it does look like being a boundary wall, all is not lost, as a wall needn't look all that bad. At 1m wide, it's as wide as many internal hallways, and need not look that much different from a hallway, especially if rendered. You could even look into putting some form of roofing over it, and maybe even a door at the front. With enough creativity you may be able to make it quite a nice space. How's it going at your end onejohn? Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 17Jul 11, 2015 2:32 pm Thank you, you both came up with some really good points! Thanks for the constructive feedback! My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 18Jul 11, 2015 10:41 pm Have you spoken to the neighbours? Surely they would be quite upset that their plans are possibly going out the window? Just wondering what their take on it all was Re: Feedback & comment on neighbors application 19Jul 13, 2015 10:13 am I do not know who the neighbours are. I have spoken with their builder but that is it. TBH if I had to work around with my plan to make it work, I dont know why others cant? When you purchase a block, you are advised its limitations. If you cant adhere to them, then dont buy the block My Build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=74866 Feedback & comment on neighbors application 20Jul 13, 2015 11:20 am I'd say no. Their habitable room should be 1m from the boundary to enable you to maintain your amenity at your entrance. I'd they are on the north side is also say being that close it will affect sunlight etc too. If they are seeking planning approval there are possibly more than just this one item that doesn't meet the t-codes or council policies and therefore is not deemed to comply (hence need for development approval) but this may be the only aspect that would affect you. Blue steel does make a good point about changing the residential character of the area too. However, It will be ultimately up to council planning officer to decide so a strongly worded submission in response will help Thanks for the response! However, it's have been sorted. But for others benefit here is what we had to do. Unfortunately, it's not straightforward. BCC washed their hands… 3 7314 As title suggests, looking at using the interlocking Pentablock stacked stone products to replace failing timber retaining… 0 18362 |