Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Mar 20, 2015 11:27 am Aaahhhhh so much frustration, after waiting and waiting and waiting (signed up for this block 14 months ago now) we have finally heard back exactly what I was afraid to hear! Our house is too close to the rear of the block and will have to reduce in length by 2 metres (at the part that is longest). I am extremely annoyed at our developer/builder as the house plan has been drawn exactly within the building envelope provided. I have a hard time looking at the plans and seeing what I could move around, takes me AGES and it took a VERY long time with the help of a designer to come up with the current plan. I am just posting here in case someone has any wonderful ideas that will help save my sanity!
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8 ... oto%2cjpeg Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 2Mar 20, 2015 11:38 am Does bed 4 need an ensuite? You could take that out and move the bedroom down? Sorry just worked out you've made that into a separate living area so I guess not. Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 3Mar 20, 2015 11:42 am Thanks for your reply archetto. Yes that is something that could be considered. The back section is basically a 'granny flat' for when my MIL comes to visit (she comes for 4-6 months at a time!) There are only 2 young children that will be using the main bathroom, so it could be argued that another bathroom is not really needed for a household of 5 people. Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 4Mar 20, 2015 11:48 am If you don't need the ensuite, i'd take that out, move bed 4 down into its place (and re-locate the kitchenette), then i'd move the bathroom up to where bed 3 is, and move those bedrooms down towards the garage, then you could add another door off the bathroom so it doubles as an ensuite from bed 4? Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 5Mar 20, 2015 11:56 am Could you perhaps move the kitchenette to the opposite corner (behind the laundry), move the ensuite in to where the kitchenette is (and perhaps have it as just a bathroom 3 rather than an ensuite, i.e. door off the retreat not directly off the bedroom) and bring the bedroom down? Or, put the kitchenette diagonally across from where it is now, put the ensuite behind the laundry (again as a bath 3) and that way you can move the whole bed 4 down? It's pretty bad that the building envelope the developer gave you is wrong - was that based on the council approved plans? Because the council had to approve the development plans, so if the council approved that building envelope, I don't see why you can't build a house within it? Jen (& Dave) Plantation Bronte, Ormeau Ridge, Gold Coast QLD 12/03/2015 - Commencement... 26/08/2015 - Handover! viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76446 Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 6Mar 20, 2015 12:18 pm Thanks for your reply Ilaeria and yes I could possible move the kitchenette & ensuite into another spot to bring the bedroom down. Unfortunately though, looking at the plan the retreat also has to drop 2 metres. Yes it is bad! I have raised this issue with the developer/builder (same people) numerous times and it has either fallen on deaf ears or I have been told 'if it's gone through our planning department it should be fine'. Interestingly I have noticed on the council website that a lot of other applications for the area also have some kind of issue, so I wonder if other people are having the same trouble. They have asked the council to look at it again, since the block is a bit of an odd shape and difficult to build to, but I don't have much hope at this point. Perhaps if I have to chop my house down in size I will also have to chop down my offer to buy the land. (since I haven't actually signed the documents yet) I wonder how that would go down. Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 7Mar 20, 2015 12:24 pm You should definitely argue that, as the information they provided you was not correct, you want a credit for the extra cost and hassle of having to redesign a house that they approved! Fingers crossed you can work something out! Jen (& Dave) Plantation Bronte, Ormeau Ridge, Gold Coast QLD 12/03/2015 - Commencement... 26/08/2015 - Handover! viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76446 Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 8Mar 20, 2015 5:13 pm what if you moved your garage forward by 1.6m and reduced the size of your garage by .4m which makes the 2m and by moving the garage forward you could move the whole back part of the house down by that 1.6m but it means no laundry room but you have enough room still in the garage to put your machine/tub. getting rid of the eaves on your garage might help as im told these affect your set backs. Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 11Mar 20, 2015 6:58 pm It's probably worth getting in contact with the planner in council that is handling it, and getting from the horse's mouth what options you have. The council may find things more or less possible based on your story of who you are and how you plan to use the house. They might look at the plan and say "granny flat", and not be supportive - but then if you tell your story for its use, then you may (or may not) do better. You may at least strike some compromise. Is it on a corner block? If so, sometimes they may be more flexible, as they know the block can be more difficult, and if the relevant boundary is a neighbour's side yard, then it's not hurting them that you are close to it. If council won't budge, it looks like you just have a problem of the house is too big for the site. To pull that back section in by 2m, you need to find 18m2 somewhere - either of extra yard to take up, or of floor space to remove. Shuffling won't magically shrink the house, so you first need to find that much space to use. Trying to stand in your shoes, I think I'd give up the theatre, and be content with just the two living spaces, plus the retreat (if not used as a flat). Then, assuming the back of the garage is for storage, I'd consider moving the storage across the hallway to where the theatre is now - maybe make it part of a walk-in-robe. Then you can pull the whole back section in. Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 12Mar 21, 2015 10:45 pm The DCP could have changed since you started designing, or the height could be too tall for the proximity to the boundary. A quick call to the planner would tell you exactly what part of the DCP it doesn't comply with. Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 13Mar 24, 2015 2:32 pm Thanks for your replies everyone. Yes we will have to either cut back on floor space or extend to the side. The wardrobes were going to be built in, rather than walk in, yes I would gladly have that 'Theatre' room as a giant walk in wardrobe but my retro game collecting husband has other ideas! Yes it is a corner block and a slightly awkward shape, being narrow at the front and wide at the back, I think that's the only thing that might save this plan! Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 14Mar 24, 2015 4:33 pm Have you considered looking at a 2 storey option? I briefly considered it based on getting a cheaper (smaller block) and then maximising yard space by building up, but we hated 2 storeys in our previous home so decided against. Just thought I'd make the suggestion though... Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 15Mar 24, 2015 5:09 pm What size is the block? Seems awfully close to every boundary. My thoughts... You have LOTS of doors!! Between Entry/Kitchen and Kitchen/Hall? I assume you will have a alfresco out from the Meals/Family? So you will be walking your washed clothes out through the alfresco? Personally.... I would swap the Laundry with Bath, drop the ENS of Bed 4 and re-arrange the Bed 4/Retreat. Cheers, Paul (& Lisa) Parkhill 36 by ClarendonHomes in Coomera Retreat H1 Build Thread And Blog Building Blogs List - Go Ahead And Add Yours!! Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 16Mar 26, 2015 4:26 pm Finnsmamma - reluctant to go in that direction (2 storey), like you we currently have it and would prefer single level. Roomeat - it's 630 square metres. Those 2 passage doors are to better close off the family / meals area for more efficient heating/cooling, that was the idea anyway! They could be left open at other times. Yes those rooms could be swapped, so the bathroom is shared. Re: Plan rejected by council, any ideas? 17Mar 26, 2015 7:19 pm How about a loft/attic type room in the roof for the retro-games room? That way it's still largely a single storey house, but you get a bit more space to make it all fit. 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