Browse Forums Kitchen Corner 1 Jan 20, 2015 7:59 pm "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality" -John Lennon Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 2Jan 21, 2015 11:49 am Just use self drilling metal screws. Its very easy and you wont have any problems! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 3Jan 21, 2015 9:04 pm Our house is cladded in colorbond so could I bolt it through the stud & through the cladding? "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality" -John Lennon Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 4Jan 22, 2015 9:15 am serialstyler Our house is cladded in colorbond so could I bolt it through the stud & through the cladding? I am assuming the colourbond is on the outside?? and you have gyprock inside?? Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 5Jan 22, 2015 9:35 am Quote: . So normally the answer would be to cut the plasterboard and put timber noggins in to support them but with the plumbing and electrical wiring it is going to be difficult to find spots to place & screw them in. Installing timber noggins between studs is usually not too difficult if you can remove the plasterboard on one side (a new sheet of plasterboard costs less than $20, the difficulty is getting it home) I have used 90x35 noggings installed on edge in my kitchen. This way the pipes and cables usually can be pushed either behind the noggin or in front. (my house has plastic water pipes which are to be able to be gently bent out of the way. By removing the plasterboard you can also determine exactly where the wires and pipes are so you don't drill into them. Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 6Jan 22, 2015 3:23 pm Beetaloo Quote: .By removing the plasterboard you can also determine exactly where the wires and pipes are so you don't drill into them. You can also use a stud finder that finds pipes and electricity! No tradesman would remove the plaster to fit a couple of cabinets! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 7Jan 23, 2015 7:23 am CuttingEdgeKitchens serialstyler Our house is cladded in colorbond so could I bolt it through the stud & through the cladding? I am assuming the colorbond is on the outside?? and you have gyprock inside?? Yes, you are correct. And we took photographs of the pipes & wiring before the gyprock went up so should have no problem missing them, they are just unfortunately in some of the studs so really reduces the amount of studs to work with. We will probably go with the bolt through the studs without the pipes & wiring behind them. There no way those things are coming down then. "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality" -John Lennon Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 8Jan 23, 2015 2:31 pm serialstyler CuttingEdgeKitchens serialstyler Our house is cladded in colorbond so could I bolt it through the stud & through the cladding? I am assuming the colorbond is on the outside?? and you have gyprock inside?? Yes, you are correct. And we took photographs of the pipes & wiring before the gyprock went up so should have no problem missing them, they are just unfortunately in some of the studs so really reduces the amount of studs to work with. We will probably go with the bolt through the studs without the pipes & wiring behind them. There no way those things are coming down then. I think you are not understanding the fixing method I was talking about. No bolts required at all. The self drilling metal screws only attached on one side of the stud! I am talking about something like this, https://www.boltdepot.com/images/dimens ... nsions.gif Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 9Jan 23, 2015 2:50 pm Hi Serialstyler, like CEK, I am a little worried about your knowledge around how to fix wall cabinets to the wall. I would never like to see you have a cabinet full of glasses or crockery come down and take someone out. Maybe you could hire someone to fit your wall cabinets? In saying that, fixing into a steel frame is the same if not better than fixing in to a timber one. Pre drilling the cabinet with the correct size drill, and using self tapping steel screws would give great support for your cabinets. By the way you are describing, you have 600mm studs? this doesn't mean you are limited to 600mmm cabinets. A screw 50mm or 65mm top and bottom would be sufficient to hold a cabinet on the wall. By screwing two wall cabinets together and picking up two stud (four screws), you could load the cabinet up with what you like. Not sure if I have explained that in easy terms, but I hope it helps With 25 years kitchen experience and a passion for what I do, I have joined this forum to offer advice or at least my opinion on all things relevant to kitchens. I was a cabinetmaker by trade and am now a senior manager of a kitchen company. Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 10Jan 23, 2015 4:43 pm Kitchenpro Hi Serialstyler, like CEK, I am a little worried about your knowledge around how to fix wall cabinets to the wall. I would never like to see you have a cabinet full of glasses or crockery come down and take someone out. Maybe you could hire someone to fit your wall cabinets? In saying that, fixing into a steel frame is the same if not better than fixing in to a timber one. Pre drilling the cabinet with the correct size drill, and using self tapping steel screws would give great support for your cabinets. By the way you are describing, you have 600mm studs? this doesn't mean you are limited to 600mmm cabinets. A screw 50mm or 65mm top and bottom would be sufficient to hold a cabinet on the wall. By screwing two wall cabinets together and picking up two stud (four screws), you could load the cabinet up with what you like. Not sure if I have explained that in easy terms, but I hope it helps Totally agree Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 11Jan 23, 2015 8:19 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens Kitchenpro Hi Serialstyler, like CEK, I am a little worried about your knowledge around how to fix wall cabinets to the wall. I would never like to see you have a cabinet full of glasses or crockery come down and take someone out. Maybe you could hire someone to fit your wall cabinets? In saying that, fixing into a steel frame is the same if not better than fixing in to a timber one. Pre drilling the cabinet with the correct size drill, and using self tapping steel screws would give great support for your cabinets. By the way you are describing, you have 600mm studs? this doesn't mean you are limited to 600mmm cabinets. A screw 50mm or 65mm top and bottom would be sufficient to hold a cabinet on the wall. By screwing two wall cabinets together and picking up two stud (four screws), you could load the cabinet up with what you like. Not sure if I have explained that in easy terms, but I hope it helps Totally agree Wow! So both of you agree that 4 screws would hold up a 16kg cabinet, or even two, plus plates & cups in them? The only reason why I thought of using large bolts through the whole stud & external wall was because there seems to be a lot negative opinions on the internet about metal wall studs holding up kitchen cabinets. And yes the studs are 600 apart. Here is a picture Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality" -John Lennon Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 12Jan 24, 2015 8:28 am serialstyler [ Wow! So both of you agree that 4 screws would hold up a 16kg cabinet, or even two, plus plates & cups in them? The only reason why I thought of using large bolts through the whole stud & external wall was because there seems to be a lot negative opinions on the internet about metal wall studs holding up kitchen cabinets. And yes the studs are 600 apart. Here is a picture [url] 4 Screws per cabinet is ample. So that would be 8 for your two cabinets and so on. In a metal stud wall I might add and extra 2 screws per cabinet depending on how well they grab. I fix overheads to walls every day and know exactly what they look like and how to do it! What people forget is that the screws are in shear load. That means the weight is pulling them directly down the wall not out. A decent screw in shear load will hold a lot of weight! What people also don't get its how to use a screw gun properly. I see DIY people with screw guns putting screws in and stripping threads all the time. The screw should be just done up not over driven in. This is especially true when fixing to metal. No kitchen company or cabinet maker would ever use bolts to fix an overhead to a wall like you are suggesting. Its overkill, not necessary and would be totally ugly!! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 13Jan 25, 2015 9:01 am Thanks for all your advice & explaining how the weight is distributed. I'm much more confident with hanging them now. "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality" -John Lennon Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 14Jan 25, 2015 10:16 am Hi Serial Stylist When considering screw fixings Vertical shear force down (base screw diam.) the wall is not the problem Horizontal shear force (Threads) out of the wall could be a problem Becareful with nail guns & overscrewing with tek guns whereby damaging the threads Use proper rated fixing..HTH LOL...I often say shoulda, coulda & didint (.. & didint is based on Experience, Calculations,Simulations...often an overkill ) Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 15Jan 26, 2015 11:09 am StructuralBIMGuy Horizontal shear force (Threads) out of the wall could be a problem This is only a problem when the screws are over tightened(usually by someone that has no idea how to use a screw gun!) When put in properly Horizontal shear force is not an issue! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Steel Frame & Wall Cabinets 16Jan 26, 2015 8:37 pm I am a fan of toggle bolts which can support 10x the pullout force of tech screws on light guage framing.Having said this 10/12 gge screws can support approx 150kg (1.5kN force) which decreases if the base stud/thread is damaged as stated and overall is not an issue if fixed correctly. 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