Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 2Sep 18, 2014 7:43 am Floor Sanding Brisbane with The Perfect Process. Only at Quicksand & Polish. Mark. Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/quicksandandpolish Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 3Sep 18, 2014 8:01 am Floor Sanding Brisbane with The Perfect Process. Only at Quicksand & Polish. Mark. Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/quicksandandpolish Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 4Sep 18, 2014 9:00 am I am not associated in anyway with the water based or solvent based flooring packages, so I have no axe to grind. Claimed toxicity of solvent based, is in part correct. But I don't know anyone who would want to spend a lot of time in a freshly painted room, and those doing the painting don't do it any slower than they can, and that's even water based... time is money they say. I'm guessing any smart operator is opening up windows to let the house breath, solvent or water based. Water based as mentioned does not really have a true glossy finish that solvent based does. I can't help but think that being water based, this staining issue will ever be solved, as water based paints during the drying process never gets a water tight seal, so there's always a chance of moisture getting through. In this tin foil hat/politically correct society, there seem to be plenty of people made more paranoid over the VOC levels in paints, but those short term concerns are easily overcome by well ventilating the house for a couple of days. The claims of high VOC releasing paints releasing their chemicals for years after being applied is absolute crap to me. The levels after a few days is miniscule. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 5Sep 18, 2014 7:10 pm I figured it would be nice to have a thread where someone in the industry could post some information about the finishes they use, and then they could maybe answer questions in a relatively objective environment. I had assumed that given there is already a surfeit of threads about alternative finishes it might come in handy for people to make up their own minds - I guess that was always going to be impractical though Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 6Sep 18, 2014 7:22 pm Go right ahead namtrak and post what you like. I was only adding my two bobs worth as an outsider with no axe to grind. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 7Sep 18, 2014 7:48 pm bpratt Go right ahead namtrak and post what you like........ No worries, I am happy to post what I have learnt and answer questions where possible. But I find the brow beating from some a bit boring TBH. I have a lot of friends in the industry who also swear by their preferred products, albiet solvent based, polyurethanes, water based, waxes and so on. Generally though there is a certain level of respect earnt from working in the same industry and even side by side from time to time, which means we can accept the choices we make as professionals. If people want specific advice about water based or hardwax finishes, or DIY floor sanding and installing then I am happy to help, otherwise I might just keep a lower profile for a while Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 8Sep 18, 2014 9:23 pm Just to be clear on Isocyanates. https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/isocyanates/index.html https://www.google.com.au/search?q=isoc ... 3&ie=UTF-8 Seems to be a lot of information on the health effects of isocyanates. Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 9Sep 20, 2014 1:11 pm There' a lot of information on the net on every subject. Did you know that if some people eat peanut butter they will drop dead almost instantly. So should we ban peanut butter? Worldwide there has been many many deaths from it. Yet not a single death from isocyanate. Puts it in perspective a little. Peanut butter is more harmful to humans than isocyanate. I have no axe to grind. If my customers request water based finish, I laugh at them at first, make a few jokes and then dig deeper as to why they want it. I discuss with them all of the huge negatives , so that if they persist, they go in with their eye wide open. When you dig a little deeper, most see the light of day and go with a tried and proven product that has been trusted for more than 6 decades. I just get annoyed at the alarmist attitude. It proves the water based product is seriously lacking, that they have to infer alarming stories to try and discredit two-pack. If water based was any where near as good , I would use it. But until they perfect it, I won't use my clients as guinea pigs on something they constantly change the formula, as it is constantly failing. It doesn't last, its not shiny and it doesn't protect. Therefore there is no real point to use it. Two-pack is dry long before the customer gets near it. We are in it wet everyday and we use exactly Zero protection. Because that is what is needed. Zero! 25 years and no health concerns in it everyday. My father in law 51 years in it everyday, no health concerns. My advice, stay away from that peanut butter.....That's the real deadly thing here. : ) Floor Sanding Brisbane with The Perfect Process. Only at Quicksand & Polish. Mark. Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/quicksandandpolish Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 10Sep 20, 2014 7:47 pm Methyl Isocyanate was the chemical in the Bhopal disaster in 1984 that killed 3000+ people and caused around 4000 permanent injuries Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 11Sep 23, 2014 3:18 pm namtrak Methyl Isocyanate was the chemical in the Bhopal disaster in 1984 that killed 3000+ people and caused around 4000 permanent injuries So an explosion killed people. Are you serious. I think any rationale has long since left the building. So Petrol explosions kill people, lets not use petrol. I'll just post fix ups now for the viewers to see for themself. Before....Floor with Water Based Stain.. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ After We fixed another Waterbased floor. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Two-Pack Polyurethane. N.B. No person died or was harmed in the fixing of this floor. Floor Sanding Brisbane with The Perfect Process. Only at Quicksand & Polish. Mark. Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/quicksandandpolish Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 12Sep 24, 2014 8:53 am Actually it wasn't the explosion - it was the gas cloud of Methyl Isocyanate that killed people. The American Centre for Disease Control has reported 7 deaths directly attributed to Asthma related attacks triggered by exposure to isocyanate's. Saying isocyanates aren't responsible for death or injury is akin to to how we treated asbestos in the 60's and 70's. If nearly every country in the world is restricting these chemicals more and more, then I guess if it feels like poo, looks like poo and smells like poo - I dont need to taste it. I don't understand the logic, but I can't start posting pics of floors I've redone with a water based finish. Every single reno has had solvent based finishes on them, and the client has opted for a non-yellowing non-toxic finish. I think you would be better served posting up pics of the good floors you have done, and when a question arises I will post up pics of the good floors I have done. Let the reader decide..... Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 13Sep 27, 2014 1:08 am qsand you will find people who are unwell with auto immune and respiratory disorders who can't tolerate the chemicals. Especially little kids. It's often recommended these people don't knowingly apply high VOC finishes to their home surfaces. Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 14Sep 29, 2014 8:18 am joannek qsand you will find people who are unwell with auto immune and respiratory disorders who can't tolerate the chemicals. Especially little kids. It's often recommended these people don't knowingly apply high VOC finishes to their home surfaces. Hi Joannek, for the very few people in this situation, I truely feel for. That was my point appoint the peanut butter. Its so very few people. Those people have way more concerns on their mind than protecting timber. They need and care about their child not their floor or walls. For the rest of the population, these products do not protect and they do not last and they will destroy your floor. ( I shall continue to post examples) See above pics. Its the water based that is the poo poo, and I don't feel the need to spread poo poo on peoples floors as it doesn't protect them. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Floor Sanding Brisbane with The Perfect Process. Only at Quicksand & Polish. Mark. Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/quicksandandpolish Re: The case for Water Based finishes. 15Oct 01, 2014 8:11 am Another Water Based floor that did not even last 2 years. The owners were talked into it. They have thinners based upstairs that has lasted 12 years. So I restored the new downstairs to Thinners based. This is just two coats. Final coat today. As I have previously stated, the majority of our work these days is following around the water based companies and sanding off the destruction and restoring it back to something that will last. You see the pics and you judge. Would you be happy if this was your two year old floor? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ And now Restored. Before after During and After two coats. You be the judge. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Floor Sanding Brisbane with The Perfect Process. Only at Quicksand & Polish. Mark. Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/quicksandandpolish Hi We are building in the Hunter Valley, our soil test is H1, our builder has advised us they need to have a letter signed for Fair Trading as the new drainage standard… 0 3550 thanks. the above one is white Mat tiles and have gripness so going for this Mat tiles for both indoor and outdoor. Beaumont told it can be used in both indoor and… 2 1665 18 90473 |