Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum Re: builder owner vs professional builder 7Apr 22, 2014 12:08 pm Steve My building project - Hill House viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13537 Who you have in your life is more important than what you have Re: builder owner vs professional builder 10Apr 27, 2014 10:32 am Steve My building project - Hill House viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13537 Who you have in your life is more important than what you have Re: builder owner vs professional builder 12Apr 27, 2014 6:31 pm Veseli, I note from a lot of your previous respones on other threads that you troll these boards offering your services as a builder after trying to talk down owner building and project builders, perhaps you need to declare your vested intrest a little more clearly? Steve My building project - Hill House viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13537 Who you have in your life is more important than what you have Re: builder owner vs professional builder 13Apr 27, 2014 10:50 pm Thanks Veseli I think I have done alright and I dont regret it one bit. Having built my own house I now know how to maintain my house better than most, have a larger house, larger block and smaller loan than most from day one to build it. You sound like you are trying to justify your job, and have confidence issues. If owner builders didnt exist where would to be builders get the experience and confidence to become professional builders. Dont know to many builders that were born with the required skills. Re: builder owner vs professional builder 14Apr 28, 2014 3:10 pm We didn't have the confidence, as to when to do what when more so or time to OB/project manage and so went with a builder. Unfortunately, this builder has proven he is as incompetent or worse than we could possibly have been - at least we would have followed the plans and laws. He is a HIA member too, so not even that is a recommendation! He simply didn't follow the council approved plans just for starters and 5 months on we are out of pocked $25K and all we have is a slab that council will not allow final approval on due to non compliance with the plans and the DCP and they have ordered the builder to remove it. Worse still he is being completely unprofessional and blaming anyone he can but himself and refusing to rectify it. The problem is, you don't know what you don't know. Either way OB or building with a dud builder like ours. If you do go OB (or with a builder even), please get a good building inspector to do inspections along the way - including post earthworks/pre slab which is where our inspector would have said stop work as there is a problem. Most people do not do this one. Experience either way counts for a lot! We should have screamed stop rather than asked nicely only to be blown off why the land levels were the way they were. At the end of the day you trust your builder - he knows what he is doing right? That's why we went with him and not OB/PM. They are his contractors, he gave them the instructions and assume, plans to follow. Had we have done it ourselves as OB/PM and they were our contractors - we would have asked that they build according to plan and this would not have happened - we do know that! Do we wish we had of gone OB/PM - 100% yes! Our worst effort could not have resulted in this mess! To be fair, we do know there are some great builders out there who would have done an awesome job we just picked the wrong one! We have had many assess the slab and quote for rectification which is not possible and they are all completely disgusted and in shock by what he has done. I guess what I am trying to say is that there are a hundred reasons for and against most of which anyone can justify either way. Maybe you should back yourself if you have a bit of common sense and financial intelligence and the time to do it. If you don't then use a builder and choose wisely Re: builder owner vs professional builder 17Apr 28, 2014 11:25 pm Bugger, very sorry to hear that has occured Hope it works out for you. Steve My building project - Hill House viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13537 Who you have in your life is more important than what you have Re: builder owner vs professional builder 19Jul 19, 2014 8:09 pm Having worked with many OB's in my time there are a few observations that I have noted along the way: 1. Owner builders tend to shop around and shop around hard. Some do however I usually add a premium for OB's as usually they require no end more of my time hand holding them thru the project which just doesn't happen with pro's. 2. By far the biggest issue is the lack of knowledge in both technique (how things are done) and regulation etc, not to mention being completely at sea if there is a problem to rectify along the way. If they are lucky they will get good trades but mostly they get stuck in the middle of buck passing with no idea what so ever who is providing good advice and who is just saving their backsides. TBH I'm amazed that DIY home building is still permitted. Re: builder owner vs professional builder 20Jul 21, 2014 1:55 pm RedHotMike Having worked with many OB's in my time ... And in what capacity would that be? RedHotMike I usually add a premium for OB's as usually they require no end more of my time hand holding them thru the project which just doesn't happen with pro's. So you profit from OB's lack of knowledge. Your point is? I actually found i knew more about the local planning laws than all but one of the bloody useless plumbers who came out to quote on my job! RedHotMike By far the biggest issue is the lack of knowledge in both technique (how things are done) and regulation etc, not to mention being completely at sea if there is a problem to rectify along the way. Dont oversell the know-how of the building process. Its not rocket science. A building inspector should be engaged to prevent being "lost at sea". Like I said, not rocket science. RedHotMike If they are lucky they will get good trades but mostly they get stuck in the middle of buck passing with no idea what so ever who is providing good advice and who is just saving their backsides. Well the bolded part of your comment is a fine testament to the licencing systems and work ethics of building tradies in our fine nanny state country, aint it? And yes, I agree with you. But there is the other side of the coin, as pointed out above in nectar's post. RedHotMike TBH I'm amazed that DIY home building is still permitted. Really why? Because you taint everyone with the same lack of tenacity, planning skills, and attention to detail that have plagued the OBers you have dealt with? Or is it because you expect the nanny state to remove all options for people to do their own thing? Please stop insulting people's intelligence. There are a more than a few people on this forum right now doing a full on OB and theres no reason they shouldnt get through it with help from this forum filling in the gaps of any shortcomings of knowledge they might have. they seem to be pretty well on top of it from what I can see. Hi VK, Think it's worth investing time in an Owner Builder course to equip you with basic knowledge on Australian Building Industry and its regulations. Also, I suggest… 11 22943 Hi all. Anyone know when the $11,000 limit was set in legislation for renovations in QLD? Ive been renovating for 5 years now and this was the limit back then. As we know,… 0 4249 |