Browse Forums Lighting + Lighting Design Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 41Jan 21, 2013 9:27 am Originally lumens seemed to be the biggest point of contention with LED now I believe it has moved towards beam angle. Your best bet is to try and get access to a light and play around with it, beam angle is not straight forward and it will mostly be oppinion at the end of the day. It seems that every single light with an semi opaque diffuser is just labelled 120deg although is this rarely the case. Clipsal's universal dimmer should work with most decent drivers these days. The hard thing about a 'standard' light is there was no 'standard' to begin with. We found up to 50% light output variation between 50w halogen brands and nearly the same % in difference of light distribution (beam angle). Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 42Jan 21, 2013 9:30 am you also have the issue of non-uniform brightness over whatever angle they give you definitely a case of go look, but finding a showroom where that LED is the only one providing illumination? Slooowwwwly getting a Manhatten 35 in Middleton Grange Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 43Jan 21, 2013 9:55 am Yeah that does become tougher, if you can get reliable photometrics it should show you what the light is doing but that's a fairly tough ask for most people. If you are still wanting to do some testing send me a PM and I would be happy to send you a couple of sample lights to play with. We also have some new products coming out this month. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 44Jan 21, 2013 9:58 am MR2 you also have the issue of non-uniform brightness over whatever angle they give you definitely a case of go look, but finding a showroom where that LED is the only one providing illumination? But - using logic ... a stronger beam should produce more light. So if your wider angle is stronger beam then it might mean less lights overall. A sharper angle might work with less wattage but might also mean more lights needed - ie to cover the space. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 45Jan 21, 2013 10:05 am The problem is beam angle is an average of the light beam not a calculation of the maximum beam angle. eg. you can have 2 lights with same beam angle that will look entirely different on the floor. A good example is our Genesis16 a lab would calculate it at around 40degrees but it gives at least 5% more light at every angle than a 55deg 50w GE precise (apparently the best halogen) even some of these new "120deg" lights we are outperforming at the 120degree mark. Its incredibly hard for the consumer to decipher. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 46Jan 21, 2013 10:17 am think_wise The problem is beam angle is an average of the light beam not a calculation of the maximum beam angle. eg. you can have 2 lights with same beam angle that will look entirely different on the floor. A good example is our Genesis16 a lab would calculate it at around 40degrees but it gives at least 5% more light at every angle than a 55deg 50w GE precise (apparently the best halogen) even some of these new "120deg" lights we are outperforming at the 120degree mark. Its incredibly hard for the consumer to decipher. How true ! But - I think we can also "over thnk" it all. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 47Jan 21, 2013 11:17 am Haha that's all we seem to do these days...... Hopefully 2013 will bring some simpler solutions from us. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 48Jan 21, 2013 4:29 pm interesting thread.... We are just about to purchase all our house leds...approx 170 of them... They are all gu10 - dimmable - 240volt - warm white - 120 degree - cob - internal drivers - opaque cover - some 7w and some 10w ( we do have some 5.5metre high ceilings.....---all internals have a gimble fitting and externals are sealed units to stop the crawly things getting in. I have spent many hours sourcing what we want and looking at samples etc...so fingers crossed now that all is good... Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 49Jan 21, 2013 4:36 pm 170 -what'd you just buy a few and they just got together ... Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 50Jan 23, 2014 4:44 pm After nearly 12 months I must admit our lights are going well. Dimmers flicker at times, but we love the clear bright light. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 52Feb 05, 2014 11:42 am Hi Martin We got the Martec - after a lot of too-ing and fro-ing ... http://www.martecceilingfans.com.au/sha ... le_5k.html Bought them from World of Light at Morayfield. Gave us a top price. Had Gimble and were dimmable. AND - plenty of light. White light. Due to their power and arc - 120 degrees - we needed fewer lights. We have higher ceiling too. My wife likes to read - and these are ideal. I would suggest something less bright for bedrooms. And maybe some lamps for ambience in lounge etc. They would not be for everyone - ie people who like the duller "yellow' light. Set-up. We have two parallel rows in kitchen - x 3. But - rarely use both sets - they are on a different circuit. They are excellent for cooking, preparing. One set run down middle of bench - the others more towards the bench and cooktop. With the 120 angle they cover it all well. We have quite a large stone island bench. We also had a skylight installed in the kitchen corner - near the garage internal access door - as it was the only dark spot. This means no lights on in the day time. And - lets in minimal heat. Lounge, dining, family and alfresco are all sets of 4 - in a square formation. We have one in welcoming area - front door - and one just outside in front door area. Also one in main ensuite above mirror - excellent if you need a top light - my wife loves this one. But - we have 2 lamp 'Tastics in bathrooms - which have a smaller light if needed. These also provide the heater if needed - and an exhaust fan. One in pantry. I like a good light in pantry. We have smaller power lights in bedrooms - one directly above bedhead - ie centre of ceiling above bedhead. And we got fans with a light in them for bedrooms - not living areas. If anyone reads in bed they have lamps too. One in laundry. We have 4 outside sensor lights. Also pool light, heater and water feature light can be operated from inside. I have 3 zappers for mossies etc - and they hang off the ceiling of alfresco. So I had double pp and installed a hook. You can then remove them easily and replace. But no nasty cords coming down to outside pp. I do have a number of outside pp. Garage a double fluorescent type. More than enough. We like good light so went for these. All in all - we are happy. My tip would be to always go for double pp. And - maybe have them on either side of room - opposite. Also - both sides of main bed in main bedroom. And two dbl pp in ensuite - either end of bench. The cost to do it as you go is much cheaper than getting people back. So - if you have / are thinking of, a pool - get the wiring done at the start. Have a box ready near the pool site. And, its great having the light and heater switches inside - for the lazy ... One we almost forgot - one near phone - to charge. We almost forgot this ... Happy to answer any questions. I may have left something out of this ... Sorry if this is jumbled - I was writing as I thought about it ... Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 53Feb 10, 2014 12:16 am Posting to follow for my build. Thanks for the thread Mike! I have a lot of reading to do. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 55Apr 01, 2014 10:25 pm A LOT of info! haha But some good. Some not so good.. P Kind Regards, Kristin Lighting Expert Phone -1300 798 220 Email - service@golights.com.au Website - http://www.golights.com.au Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 57Apr 02, 2014 6:06 am MR2 GoLights Some not so good.. best thing about a forum is you can post up "improvements" to the advise So true MR2. We went to the so-called experts (shops, net, on here) and they all contradicted each other. I found out more just researching the topic. Many of the "experts" were themselves confused re lumens and angle and wattage etc. You'd be told one thing when logic showed the other was right. Angle is a good example. Strength of light (to put it simply) comes into play with angle. If you asked a direct question you got gobbledegook and often confused answers. We ended up choosing the white light (against many of the experts advice), wider angle (against many of the experts advice) and stronger wattage/lumens - again against many of the experts advice. Then to top it off we got dimmable ones ... We are VERY happy with the result. We would have been unhappy with the dull/yellow look. We like real light - and if we want ambience we just dim. So - when the "experts" all have their say - we just smile and nod ... That's why this forum is so good. Take the advice by all means - but it is free advice and often is worth what you pay for it ... Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 58Apr 02, 2014 9:50 am We bought directly from China and did LOTS of research first and got samples and tried them in situ. We have 150 lights all dimmable - cob - cant see the leds when you look at them as we had a diffuser on them. wide angle...plus white gimmble fittings - much better quality than you can buy here., (PS have some of the fitting available as we had to buy 500 to get what we wanted). Very happy..just do the research, spend the time and get some samples.. We could not have afforded to get them over here. Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 59Apr 02, 2014 9:51 am chatterbox (PS have some of the fitting available as we had to buy 500 to get what we wanted) your not trying very hard to sell them :p got them listed somewhere? Slooowwwwly getting a Manhatten 35 in Middleton Grange Re: LED Lighting for a Standard House ? 60Apr 02, 2014 10:05 am yes I probably should list them somewhere - probably ebay or gumtree or .. 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