Browse Forums Lighting + Lighting Design 1 Jul 26, 2012 10:44 am As topic states I am considering purchasing the brightgreen d900’s for my new build, approximately 30 for living areas etc and i am a little confused about the installation of these. My question is, I have arranged for junction boxes to be installed in the roof space of these areas as opposed to standard batons on the ceilings and having looked into the brightgreens ive noticed they come with a wall socket/plug. I’m not very clued in on electricals so i’m wondering if i will need to get rid of the junction boxes and (hopefully not) have 30 power sockets installed in my roof instead??? Or can an electrician just cut the plug off the downlight and install to JB??? Advice please??? Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 2Jul 26, 2012 1:21 pm Hi It is best to get the electrician to install power sockets in your roof. The Clipsal model 413 is what is commonly used. These are unswitched sockets that cost about $2 more than a junction box (about $4). Then you just plug in the fitting. If you ever need to change a fitting you can just unplug and plug in a new one - no electrician required. You could get the plugs cut off the D900s, but it will take longer to install (equals $) and you lose the flexibility. Paul Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 3Jul 26, 2012 4:08 pm Agreed, an electrician must change the boxes to sockets (or hard wire the down light), I would recommend (as an electrician) use the sockets! If anything where ever to go wrong you can diy if it's plugged in (except you can't wire or un wire the 240v side of transformer) but have to call an electrician every time if they hard wire! Also check with bright green, some manufacturers get upset if you chop off their plug tops, I don't know why! 2 Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 4Jul 26, 2012 7:12 pm Thanks for the replies.... The problem is I'm not sure my builder is offering these empty sockets. As far as I know it either batons or junction boxes?? So do I continue to get the junction boxes installed and then have an electrician install the 413 sockets in place??? So far there is about 7 junction boxes in living areas and costing me I think around $40 each... I have a friend of the family who is a sparky do should be able to do those 413 things for me at cost which wouldn't equate to much at $4 each??? If the lifespan of a LED is as long as they say, why would It matter so much to hardwire them??? Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 5Jul 26, 2012 11:59 pm Dont bother with plugbases (413's). Just get leads taken out n hard wire the trannys. Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 6Jul 27, 2012 10:53 am Ben01 Thanks for the replies.... The problem is I'm not sure my builder is offering these empty sockets. As far as I know it either batons or junction boxes? Not sure what u mean by batons. I have those but the hold up the plaster ceiling. For lights we wired up 3pin plug bases then put the lights into those so they are easy to install/remove by a non sparkie. Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 7Jul 29, 2012 8:49 am Batten holders are the standard light fittings that just take a bulb Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 8Jul 29, 2012 3:45 pm Hi All, We are pretty keen to install LED Downlights where appropriate too. I am keen to source them externally and possibly install post handover. We are also looking at a number of two way switches. Do you think it is best to sort out all the variances to the electrical circuit with the builder or wait and deal direct with the electrician? Building in Blackwood Park 2012/13 Land settled 8/8/12 Contract signed 6/11/12 Encumbrance approval 24/12/12 Development Approval 24/4/13 Slab Poured 8/7/13 Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 9Jul 29, 2012 4:51 pm I'd probably get all the switches & conduits sorted through the builder - they include them anyway unless you want more of course, but just work out what you want and where first. We know exactly where we want the lights and switches, so getting all the switches done and just having junction boxes installed in the roof so our sparky can come after handover and put the downlights in at a fraction of the cost of the builder. I think we are paying $50 per JB and $30 each for conduit to certain switches. Sure beats $200 PER downlight installed by builder. Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 10Jul 29, 2012 4:58 pm You could ask the builders' electrician to only pre-wire (i.e. add the relevant wire loops) for where you can get your own electrician to install 413 plugs (or clip-ons that take but 30s to put onto the wire) at a much better cost. It worked out way way cheaper (especially when you have many lights) for us. We too struggled with the limited options from our builders electrician, but when we met the actual electrician on site, he was very knowledgeable and completely understood what to do with regard to 413 sockets after handover. We now have about 50 sockets with dimmers and the D900/D1000s work beautifully! Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 13Jul 29, 2012 8:35 pm Thanks Guys, I will discuss with builder further and find most cost effective option Building in Blackwood Park 2012/13 Land settled 8/8/12 Contract signed 6/11/12 Encumbrance approval 24/12/12 Development Approval 24/4/13 Slab Poured 8/7/13 Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 14May 21, 2013 11:43 pm Sorry for bumping an old thread but I figured this is the best place to ask. What about new double storey homes? I assume there are no way to access the ground floor sockets if the 413 plugs were used. So does this mean m16 or gu10 are the only alternatives? Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 15May 22, 2013 4:04 pm depends if the 413 sockets were fixed or floating, a see a lot of floating quick connect style plug bases these days. There is always the chance if you have a 90mm cutout of reaching in far enough to access the plug. Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 16May 28, 2013 12:34 am Don't confuse the connection to the bulb (GU10 or MR16) with the connection to the mains wiring. Your options are hard wired or via a 413 socket. As Think wise says you can reach into the ceiling space and pull the floating socket over to the hole so that you can plug/unplug the fitting. Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 17Jun 20, 2013 12:15 pm My building is only providing two options. 1. supply and install (they use eco) 2. prewire with batons Which means if I wanted to have brightgreen then I'll have to get an electrician out after handover to change over the batons to 413s? Anyone know how much electricians normally charge for this? Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 18Jul 01, 2013 11:49 am I also have the bright green LEDs with plug tops. The builder has installed a 413 socket per switch in each room, can I use a powerboard off this to run the other lights or do I need to junction box off the 413 to add additionals. I posted this in building standards but this forum looks more appropriate, Thanks Rick Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 19Jul 01, 2013 3:25 pm nearly certain using a power board in the roof for lighting purposes is not legal.
Re: Brightgreen D900 installation confusion 20Jul 01, 2013 4:34 pm think_wise nearly certain using a power board in the roof for lighting putposes is not legal. I agree. I have been told by electricians in the past that this wouldn't be legal. Worse, it would not be safe. Power boards aren't great with dust or heat, both of which can be serious problems in a roof cavity. Get a sparky to do the install... Much cheaper than a house fire. HD Hi All, see above image. The required setback from the rear boundary in my case is 5m, as you can see the shape of the site and location of the boundary is slightly… 0 5854 Hi Marko The best thing to do is to have a look at your contract and see how the variation clause is worded. We use the NSW Fair trading contract and the way that is… 1 5084 I need to replace the worn mohair seal on my sliding window, but I can't get access to the end to slide the old one out & push the new one in. I could probably rip the old… 0 3490 |