Browse Forums Lighting + Lighting Design Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 21Aug 17, 2012 12:43 am Sensational Delatite!! If you can get away with fewer downlights per sq metre it makes the whole LED scenerio that much more compelling from a value point of view. Well done!! Building in Blackwood Park 2012/13 Land settled 8/8/12 Contract signed 6/11/12 Encumbrance approval 24/12/12 Development Approval 24/4/13 Slab Poured 8/7/13 Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 22Aug 27, 2012 12:34 am On beacon website they seem to have a lot of halogen downlight kits still, but seems to come with MR16 35w IRC halogen instead of the normal 50w globes. So ALL halogens will be phased out is this correct??? Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 23Aug 27, 2012 11:09 am Thankyou soo much for this thread... I have now ordered downlights for my whole house through wattsaver... Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 25Aug 28, 2012 1:11 pm Hi Tengals, Please see my response to your reply in other posts, wanting to get your genuine feedback in justifying your purchase of $60 for each LED downlight, please be fair to breakdown the cost of your purchase (in terms of components) in your reply. Cheers V. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 26Aug 28, 2012 1:33 pm MissEm - other thread referred to is Marybonds - viewtopic.php?f=31&t=55136&start=180 Building the Nautilus with Dale Alcock follow my thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58854&p=909574#p909574 14/8/12 Pre-start! Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 27Aug 28, 2012 2:08 pm yours are globes only yours are not dimable yours have no fittings yours are a 20w replacement SPOT lighting only id prefer to buy from the factory or at least australian assembler and contact id prefer to buy from a company that purely invests time and money into core business of LED, not into multimedia, movies, streaming and all other different area's whilt importing boxes of LED globes and trying to flog them off as a side product. so all in all, it's basically well suited to all new builds. is the 60.00 price point good value? you bet it is. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 28Aug 28, 2012 2:26 pm Hi Tengals, You seem making the threat of "having shut me down" on this freedom of speech society from the other onfing thread... Aha - now I am afraid everyone knows who you are and what purpose you are trying to achieve here... Please mind your words during posting ... Regards V. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 29Aug 28, 2012 2:32 pm well i did shut you down, because you fail to comprehend the "apples to apples" comparison, whilst trying to LINK YOUR OWN WEBSITE AND EBAY LISTINGS to self promote through homeone. no-one knows who i am buddy, i have not even purchased any LED's for my build as I am only at framing stage. so there you go. But to jump into a thread start flinging around questions about products that are not fit for the purpose of the OP, and then go further by pushing and publishing links to your own website and ebay links is just garbage in my book. good luck with the sales of your 4 watt phillips led's I saw you made 1 sale on ebay, so well done too you! Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 30Aug 28, 2012 2:38 pm tengals, since you spent lots of time in doggedly attacking me, and signifying the Wattsaver product, and now even coming to " shut me down", people know who you are. Don't waste your time here as it is not a positive thing to do. Regards V. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 31Aug 28, 2012 2:48 pm LOL, ok thanks. I will take it on board hahahaha I suggest that you contact the homeone team and discuss our advertising options here like the PAYING ADVERTISERS. That way you will not appear like a spamming cheapskate. Now im happy for people to "know who I am" - as a person that HATES spammers, pushing their own products through information forums, without having the right to do so. Like you did. What makes it even worse is then they spam/push a product that is not fit for the application. Like what you did. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 32Aug 28, 2012 3:09 pm Hi Manafull. Thanks for your negative comments re the lights we have sourced, purchased, fitted and currently using and are very happy with. To date I cannot see any product that you retail that compares in any way to what we purchased. Essentially you are selling an LED globe. What I sourced and purchased was an LED light fitting, an LED globe, and an Led driver. Of those three you only sell one. I was going to keep quiet but it got the better of me. Please tell me how in any way does your product compare to either of the downlights that they offer. I fail to make any comparison. I afraid I must agree with Tengals view in relation to your eBay sales pitch. This is a forum, not an eBay sales office. So if in your extensive product list you retail a product that matches with the same specs and size as the Wattsaver DL-9 that we have purchased, please supply a link to the website or photos of the product. If you cannot, then please place your negative comments in relation to another product in the appropriate receptacle. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 33Aug 28, 2012 3:58 pm Wow, such a hot bed of discussion lately! Most of it is right, the Phillips lights are not a direct comparison, they are a replacement for 20w halogen, not 50w halogens! Phillips are a good brand name, and Brightgreen don't reveal (far as I know) who makes their chips, nor do wattsaver. The wattsaver product appears to be new? Web site seems incomplete any way compared to Brightgreen, not that means anything for the two products! I would however caution against buying ANY electrical item from eBay / over seas, if the item does not comply with local laws (such as displaying a compliance number) you may be voiding your insurance and the product maybe dangerous to use, refer to the Clipsal website http://www.clipsal.com.au/trade/products/dont_risk_it - Sure you can argue they are protecting their own manufacturing side, but they are basing their arguments on law. And I don't sell any LED lighting, I am how ever an electrician in Melbourne, I have no formal lighting design qualifications, what I know comes from google and this forum, with some experience installing LED lights, but now I am looking to install some in my house (still just a vacant lot, hope to start building ASAP!) And it is my understanding, I could be wrong, that the government wants to phase out all halogen lighting at some point in the future, but due to elections, policy etc etc, anything can happen in politics!! I personally prefer LED's as they are cooler, those 50w halogens really are very hot, don't take minutes to warm up, like the CFL's builders have been installing, sure they cost more to buy, but hopefully they work out cheaper in 30 years time! Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 34Aug 28, 2012 4:06 pm Well said Tengals!!! Manafull think you've outstayed your welcome buddy time to move along and spam someone else's thread with your eBay listings. Stormjr we are in same place as you, our build at present is still a plot of dirt so we have been researching early to get some knowledge for down the track. Who knows, the price of brightgreen d900's might have come down further in another 6 months. Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 35Aug 28, 2012 4:13 pm quote - Here in my opinion - I really don't see any LED light over than 4w with price over $20 is of good investment. - unquote whatever the heck that means? whatever you are trying to say, i think you are pushing the old "cheap is best" line. missem, yeah we are waiting also with crossed fingers that the brightgreen or the wattsaver comes down in price a bit over the next 6 months. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 36Aug 28, 2012 4:23 pm man oh man, manafull, why on earth would we want to go and see a 4w led spot? when we are not in the market for this type of lighting? and we are looking at 15w led. I really think you need to learn a little more about LED lighting options and what types are used for what applications. you are coming across as basically having no idea what on earth you are talking about. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 37Aug 28, 2012 9:22 pm This thread is a hoot! Love the pooh flinging, lol. On a little more serious note, watts aren't the end-all measure when it comes to LEDs. You can get single watt leds (i.e. the actual diode) that gives off a lot of light, and you can have clusters of leds that give off very little light, but use several watts. Lumens is the go-to measure, and even that can be difficult to compare. Led technology is moving forward rapidly, and the newest leds give off way more light than older leds, all things equal. I'm not saying the 4w leds that Mana is recommending will be enough (I don't know the particular leds in question), but there's some kernel of truth in his unashamed spamming. With that said, led-globes alone doesn't make a fitting. So I'm with the rest of the guys around here: Your (mana) products doesn't even come close to satisfying the need to be able to outfit a home. It's like buying a CFL globe. You still need the fittings and whatnot. Personally, I will continue to use CFLs even if some of them are a bit slow at starting up, I will have a few LEDs, but more important, I will have fibre optic lighting (side and end emitting) and most of the light emitters for those will use LEDs (with Cree-leds). No need for LED globes and led fittings at all. Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 38Aug 29, 2012 12:19 am A huge day here on this thread. Well done Tengals and Co for taking it up to the spammer!! Ultimately there is a good product out there. Its price is half reasonable and its quality seems to be what it claims. Building in Blackwood Park 2012/13 Land settled 8/8/12 Contract signed 6/11/12 Encumbrance approval 24/12/12 Development Approval 24/4/13 Slab Poured 8/7/13 Re: Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 39Oct 21, 2012 11:54 pm Hi i'm new here,i'm wondering how much should you guys pay for a mr16.Sounds like it cost 60$,so expensive! Incandescent & halogen downlights?? 40Nov 08, 2012 3:09 pm Time to reignite this thread - Are there any other reccomendations for LED downlights apart from brightgreen and wattsaver? We are liking the look of the wattsavers as they are a lot cheaper than the brightgreen d900s, and heaps of people on here seem to be happy with them. Really don't like the wattsaver website though - seems a bit shady and all over the place, eg if you click to purchase the DL9 1320 it takes you to a page with the new DL9 1400?? And no 'add to cart' buttons anywhere...... Building the Riva by Dale Alcock Homes. Follow our progress here: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=57075 |